Geek HPA by LH Labs

Dec 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 157
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LH Labs is working on a dedicated headphone amp as part of their Geek line of products. It's going to be based on technology that they're implementing in the dedicate Da Vinci HPA. Below I've included the information taken directly from Light Harmonic's founder Larry Ho pertaining to the Da Vinci HPA.
 
Design headphone amp as a power amp!
Ultra high current driving capacity. Ultra high driving capability. The total driving power is 10,000mW single ended, and 20,000mW balanced. Three customizable gain settings for 10,000mW, 3,000mW and 500mW.

Dual Mono - Fully Balanced Design
The internal analog audio signal path of the Da Vinci HPA is fully balanced and dual mono.

Balanced analog input is kept intact, and single-ended input is converted to balanced at the input buffer. All single-ended outputs are derived from the balanced signal as well. The balanced design provides best common-mode noise rejection and improves signal quality. It also provides best channel separation by eliminating the common ground return path.

Cascoded JFET input buffer

Full discrete complementary JFET pair (LS170, LS74) from Linear System to provide lowest input current noise, cascoded with toshiba bipolar transistors to make the distortion to lowest. No DC capacitors in the whole audio signal path

Diamond buffer output circuit 

This diamond buffer stage was specially designed for ultra high bandwidth and low noise. Also provide superb 10,000mW and 20,000mW output power in balanced output


Optional Tube Voltage Gain Stage

Da Vinci will use one of the best tube made in 1980s from Siemens. The legendary C3G connected in Triode mode to provide the best tube sound with minimum distortion. This circuit is also cascoded and load by constant current source for its best.


Let’s talk about components design…

This is what Da Vinci HPA use.

Quad Analog 48 Steps Shunt Full Balanced Volume Control

Nothing is spared. Vishay Z-foil “naked” input resistor with 48 quad paired +/- 0.1dB super matched resistor ladders with gold-silver alloy contacts. Also with shortest signal path design, you won’t find any better way for audio attenuation.

Silver Wired R-Core Power Transformer

R-Core transformer was known for its high bandwidth, lower stray capacitance and low noise. Da Vinci DAC use three of them. And Da Vinci Headphone amp will use TWO. One for left channel, one for right channel. With even higher specification, the wires goes inside are 99.99 silver wires. (Custom made for Light Harmonic)

Ultra-low noise complementary JFET from Linear System. These JFET was made by Toshiba and discontinued. A lot of legendary designs but not a lot available devices use these pair.

... more to come....
 
Now we also know that LH Labs loves to get feedback from their backers and they take that feedback and try their best to work that feedback into their designs. At this point very little is known about the Geek HPA outside of LH Labs. So what would you like to see in a dedicate Geek HPA?
 
My first two wants are fairly simple. I would love to see tubes and I'd want it to be compatible with the LPS4.
 
Dec 27, 2014 at 1:52 PM Post #2 of 157
Thanks for starting the thread and great idea to put all the info needed on the Da Vinci HA. 
 
I might be a minority here but I would prefer having the HA integrated with the Pre-Amp just because of the way I am planning to use the system, I am thinking about Geek Pulse desktop system, at this point I am not yet into Home Audio system, although that may change. With the tubes, I am perfectly happy with the GTB/X unit Larry has designed but instead of having Tube part of the HA, why can't we allow the Pre-amp to inject the tube buffer to any inputs available on the Pre-Amp controllable from the pre-amp menu settings of through a remote. This way if you want tube, then you just turn it on on that chosen input/output combination (SE or Balanced) else you don't. The integrated HA part of the Pre-Amp would be wired such that you can sample the Pre-Amp output which will also be automatically available on the Pre-Amp Line Out to speakers, just some thoughts.
 
Dec 27, 2014 at 1:52 PM Post #3 of 157
Thanks for the thread.
 
Larry definitely mentioned tubes for the HA.
Look at the Roadmap http://www.lhlabs.com/roadmap
 
Project THA
  1. A desktop-sized tube headphone amplifier.
 
Project SHA
  1. A desktop-sized solid state headphone amplifier.
 
I'd like to see the tube headphone amp, which is able to drive Orthos at a reasonable price point without the use of opamps but a jfet stage.
Maybe Larry will design a DIY kit for the headphone amp too like he's going to do one for a DIY tube buffer.
 
I also backed the perk for future information about that amp. Keep in mind, that Larry told us how good the headphone amp implementation in the Pulse Xfi is and that it's going to be very hard to beat.
 
Dec 27, 2014 at 2:20 PM Post #6 of 157
Brian, I live the thread. Just remember that the ideas here may not make the jump to the Geek Force where Larry is watching. 
 
Dec 27, 2014 at 2:20 PM Post #7 of 157
It's going to be happening after the Da Vinci HPA comes out in the spring, so you at least have a few months before it starts.


I might actually have my Xfi by then ;)

Maybe I should try and upgrade my LPS to an LPS4. I imagine any kind of tube amp will probably require two 12v's, a 1200mA and a 500mA, similar to the tube stage...
 
Dec 27, 2014 at 2:41 PM Post #8 of 157
  Brian, I live the thread. Just remember that the ideas here may not make the jump to the Geek Force where Larry is watching. 

 
Oh I'm planning on relaying details back and forth. But Larry, Gavin and Casey all visit Head-Fi so there's a good chance they'll see this thread as well. But you're right. By itself this thread doesn't have any guarantee of getting suggestions to the minds at LH Labs.
 
I might actually have my Xfi by then
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Maybe I should try and upgrade my LPS to an LPS4. I imagine any kind of tube amp will probably require two 12v's, a 1200mA and a 500mA, similar to the tube stage...

 
You're right. If it receives power in a similar fashion to the Geek Tube Buffer then it would use one of the 1.2A and one of the 0.5A connections on the LPS4. That would leave the second 0.5A output free for one additional Geek product, the first 1.2A output going to the Pulse. I'd like to see that happen.
 
Dec 29, 2014 at 4:47 AM Post #9 of 157
For a tube HPA, doesn't the power depend on the heater current requirement of the types of tubes, so not necessarily whatever the LPS/4 will support? Happy to be wrong on this...
 
Anyway, I'd like to see it with more than enough muscle to drive an HE-6
 
Dec 29, 2014 at 8:07 AM Post #11 of 157
Please make them $500 each and 8w of power should be enough.


I seriously doubt they'll make it lower than their current Geek power amps when they are basing it off their TOTL Da Vinci amps..
 
Dec 30, 2014 at 7:23 PM Post #14 of 157
Recent news from Larry pertaining to the HPA. Taken from the LH Labs forums.
 
 Hi, Force

This is a new type of discussion. We would like to have a focus group (Geek HPA Jedi?) discuss and beta test our Geek HPA before its formal launch.

I paid quite a lot attention on every detail designs of HPA. But I would really love to learn what exactly people need especially when we talked about Headphone. The variables are many. IEM vs Big Can. Low Z vs High Z. Low efficiency vs High efficiency.

Our target is to make the best sounding HPA within $800 budget. (If we could make it $500, even better)

Any wish/think/comment/suggestion here are highly welcome.

Larry

 
I'm not sure if the thread is meant to be open for all or only those who will be assisting in the beta testing. It may be locked down so only those involved in the focus group can post. We'll see. I know I sure as heck am excited for this one, I've been waiting for it since I learned Larry's first love is analog, maybe even before that.
 

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