Firestone Audio FireyeDA Review
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[size=12.0pt]Firestone Audio FireyeDA Review[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Thanks to [/size][size=12.0pt]Firestone Audio[/size][size=12.0pt] for the sample.[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]First Impressions:  It’s a nice box, nothing too fancy but it’s nice to see someone proudly stating where it comes from.  A big “Made in Taiwan” slapped on the front.  Inside the amp looks nice too.  I do find it a bit odd that it has a 5v supply input but no power adapter.  Now I realise you don’t need one and given it’s a DAC with no line in (so no using as just a amp) you’re always going to have a usb cable connected.  Yes the specs say using the 5v gets you more power and specs improve but I just don’t see anyone using it, ever.  Maybe that’s just me but it seems superfluous.  Actually I find I’m a bit disappointed you can’t use this as an amp.  Looking at the front I thought that line out, optical out socket was a line in (yes I tried to use it as such.)  Sad face.  They do offer an amp but it seems not a DAC/amp combo, in the works perhaps?[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Listening time and grabbing the HD515’s as I’m thinking it’s a non-battery device so it’s to be used while you’re sat at a computer.  Plus they advertise it can drive 600 Ohm headphones so it seems a fair test.  Wow!!!  Not only can it go super loud and I’m on low gain I am blown away by how they sound.  Are the HD515 that good?  It’s been a while since I’ve used them much, maybe I’m imagining things but god they pair up well.  They sound so amazingly holographic it’s freaky.  Maybe I had better pull out the big HD600’s.  First listen though has left me super impressed.[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]Lows:  Depends on your tastes but I found this to be a lean and a touch bright amp.  The bass is lovely and tight, very impressively tight but lacks a touch of expansion and fullness.  Not a lot you understand but a hint and on something like the bass lean HD600 it was a bit unsatisfying.  So ah ha you think, there is a bass boost button!  Well there is but I found it was a bit much and a bit unnatural sounding.  I’m not sure where it cuts in but it was more like one of those “DYNAMIC BASS BOOST” things you see on consumer hifi’s rather than a more subtle EQ hike of the lower end.  It was more like a big boost in just that 30Hz and 60Hz bands but nowhere else.  It’s really going to matter with what you pair it up to.  Flicking over to the HD515 and they sounded superb.  It’s a bassyier can and it’s softer, flabbier so the lean tightness of the FireyeDA complimented it wonderfully.  The quantity too was just outstandingly good.  That fraction above what your brain knows it really should be but you just love it.  The quality too just was excellent; it was really getting the absolute best out of the HD515.  Even being silly and turning on the bass boost and it was great. Whether it be that the HD600 is too accurate and won’t soften the clean crispness of the FireyeDA I don’t know but the HD515 just sounded so fun with it.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Depth seems okay but bass isn’t what it does best, there is that trail away and I think it probably wouldn’t pair terribly well with a bright headphone (grado.)  Stylistically it’s a quick and light low end.  Yes the bass boost bumps up the quantity and fills it out but it was too unsubtle a bass boost for me.[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]Mids:  Like above this amp has the air of lean and coolness to it.  Breathiness was very good and on the slightly thicker, more liquid HD515 they were just stunners together.  The managed to offer a distant yet sultry, intimate vocals just oh my god good.  Painters Song is just every single thing it should be.  The vocal detail is enough without being analytical and yet it has this perfect mix of breathy and liquidy goodness.  On the HD600 it was rather more detailed and airy but seemed to lose some of the soul of the song.  The more neutral HD600 meeting the pretty lean, neutral amp made for a very technically accurate sound.  One of those on paper faultless but just feels a bit soulless.  Going back the HD515 and god they do pair up well.  Every vocal I’ve tested sounds just so good, enough technical accuracy but so natural and organic.  Guitars too sound fantastic.  Not quite the crisp twang they should but so full bodied.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Vocal dynamics are great, everything feels very energetic and vibrant.[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]Highs:  There is a bit of a tint towards the top end on this DAC.  So if you like fast, slightly crisp treble then this could be one for you.  Owl City’s “Cave In” is a flurry of very quick bass and treble ass over the place.  It’s not subtle treble either and can very quickly ravage my ears.  Oddly it’s something I’ve seem more in warmer, thicker amps as they try to compensate by over crisping the edges of the highs.  None of that here though, the highs are wonderfully shimmy and clean with good extension.  Now it’s still more treble than I personally want.  This is a brightish amp, that’s just how it is.  Long term I might be inclined to not play lots of very bright music because of its abundance but I can’t fault its quality.  One thing though, the high end decays are frankly too quick.  I know it’s a clean, quick amp but cymbals should last longer.  Here it all feels in a bit of a hurry.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Quantity wise there is a touch too much.  This is a bright headphone amp[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]In The Hand:  Ergonomically the thing is a fiddly, mostly because it’s so petite.  I found I was always picking the thing up and holding it while I changed the volume.  The headphone jack got in the way of the dial, my fingers didn’t fit in between.  Hardly a big deal.  The other weird thing was the power LED on the back, I guess it’s so it has one but doesn’t bother those who find bright LED’s distracting.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Build Quality:  It is a very solid little block, the case is metal, the top and bottom faceplates are might be metal (I think anyway.)  It’s got apparent metal screws holding it all together.  In no way can I fault the build.  It is good stuff.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Power:  On low gain these could with ease send my HD600’s louder than I’d ever want.  I’d suspect on high these could have a good bash at some ortho’s.[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]Transparency:  Very good.  There is no two ways about it, these are very transparent.  They are if anything trying to be too transparent, too revealing, too open.  This lends it to that too bright and maybe even a touch over dynamic.  That bit over saturated over contrasted to make things seem hyper transparent.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]DAC:  I know from the specs it’s got some Wolfson goodness in there, a WM8761 it says on the specs.  It doesn’t have that organic warmth that things with Wolfson DAC’s in them often have.  Normally you know if you see the Wolfson name that’s the sort of sound you can expect, or at least that’s what I do.  Anyway as this has no line in I can’t separate what is the amp and what is DAC.[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]Value:  I find it not having a line in and battery a bit of a missed opportunity.  I’m not sure who’d not splash out more and get a DAC/portable amp combo.  So ignoring that, the sound quality is fabulous for something sooooooooooo tiny.    Still if your say using something good and want to use the office computer but don’t want to use its terrible audio out this would work well.[/size]
 

 
 
 
[size=12.0pt]Conclusion:  As I’ve just said I’m not sure why you would want this.  I felt so disappointed when I realised there was no line in, I just thought “whhhaaaa whadda you mean it’s not an amp too!!!” I can only assume FireAudio are coming out with an amp/DAC combo soon as it seems madness not to.  So let’s pretend that doesn’t really annoy me and all I want it for is to use in the office (what I’d ever do with the line out then I don’t know but hey its nicer to have than not have.)[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]It’s a curious little thing and I’ve got to say I have swayed from my first impressions.  There is no doubt it works amazingly well with the HD515 but otherwise it is not quite so amazing.  I mean it’s very, very good and I really enjoyed it with just about everything but, there is always a but.  It’s a bit bright.  Now I tend to like bright things with a warmish headphone, maybe a bit soft and a nice clean sounding amp.  So for me I was bound to like it but even with the HD600 which while neutral for a Senn is still regarded as a bit warm, bit veiled.  Now I long ago parted with the Grado 325i’s I had.  I suspect they would have made for a blinding bright combo.[/size]
 

 
 
[size=12.0pt]I found that bit bright, very dynamic, very contrasted sound the FireyeDA offers is immediately attention grabbing.  Its offers up the allusion to even greater transparency than it really has and when you meld that with the softer HD515 its just superb.  For short listening sessions just wow!  For most things though that brightness up top got quite tiring on my ears. I didn’t notice it at first but listening loud for a couple hours and god my ears felt worn out and I started that track skipping for something more mellow.  I never stopped liking the sound but it wore me out.  So really I think it’s one for those who love brightness or want to clean up something that’s too warm for them.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]For me the FireyeDA’s strength have been their clarity and their energetic portrayal of everything.  It’s an exciting listen and I never at any point didn’t like it.  It’s fun, dramatic, exciting and particularly with the HD515’s I really, really enjoyed them.[/size]
 
Apr 10, 2013 at 9:05 AM Post #2 of 13
[size=12.0pt]Firestone Audio FireyeDA Quick Review[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Thanks to [/size][size=12.0pt]Firestone Audio[/size][size=12.0pt] for the sample.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Brief:  A small DAC for your desk.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Price:  €110 or about £93[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Specifications:  Amplifier Structure : Class-AB amplifier, Power Structure : USB or external power supply,             Headphone Impedance : 16 ohm to 600 ohm, Equalization : Built-in bass boost function, High / Low Gain, Circuit Protection : Output short / temperature protection, Support Format : 16/24-bit, 44.1 / 48 / 96kHz, USB Chip : Tenor – TE7022, DAC Chip : Wolfson – WM8761, Main OPAmp : TI - DRV604, Audio Performance - USB power supply:frowning2:1kHz sine wave, 2Vrms output), Frequency Response (From 40Hz to 15kHz) : +0.02dB~-0.02dB, Noise Level (1kHz, A-Weighted) : -93.2dB, Dynamic Range (1kHz, A-Weighted) : 94.4dB, THD% : 0.0028%, Stereo Crosstalk : -93.3dB[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Accessories:  A mini usb cable to connect and power the thing.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Aesthetics:  Reasonably attractive and discreet.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Build: Feels firm and solidly constructed.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Power:  Even on low gain it could send my HD600’s louder than I’d ever use so there is plenty of headroom in there.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Sound:  Exciting, fun, fast, and bright.  I found it to have great dynamics.  It was always ready to be as quick as you could like.  This leant itself to a very clean, crisp sounding tonality.  In the mids this was great and in the highs too but in the lows it was a bit over quick and lean.  The bass boost can whack up the volume but its felt a bit unrefined.  Too unnatural and uneven so I didn’t use it much but for bass light stuff it will add in more.  This likes to pair with something a bit warm and a bit soft like the HD515, they were a stunning combo actually.  Its Senn veil, big’ish bass with the agility of the FireyeDA and over dramatic dynamics paired perfectly.  With other things I found its exuberance a bit tiring on the ear.  Just that hint too much treble and the contrast just turned up that bit high.  It was always likeable but I found after a few hours it tired my ears and made them crave calmer, quieter songs.  Still really, really likable and entertaining.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Value:  Hmm, I wish it had a battery and a line in.  It’s a real entertainer for sure but I’m not sure who needs a portable DAC/amp but wouldn’t want to use with a portable DAP too.  Does sound fab though.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Pro’s:  Can sound just stunning, bright, dynamic and energetic.[/size]
 
[size=12.0pt]Con’s:  Low end lean naturally and the bass boost is a bit cludgy.  Energy up top can be tiring.[/size]
 
Dec 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM Post #3 of 13
Time to grave-dig a little bit, but I'd rather not start a new thread with you having a perfectly usable one. Ordered mine on Sunday and received it today. Not enough time for an actual review or even impressions, but I wanted to say that the build quality is top notch. Smaller than I expected, but there is a nice weight to it that makes it feel solid in the hands. :D

Redact: I have to redact my previous statement about build quality on the Fireye DA. It is true that the outside casing is quite solid and it does have a nice weight to it, but when I attempted to plug the micro-usb cord into the port it the build quality ceased. The port was loose and plopped right out of it's position. It is now loose inside my dac and I have no way to actually power the unit or hook it up. Sadly, this is a poor example of build quality that I would only expect from the PCM2704 Chinese Dacs. I've contacted the seller on Amazon and I hope to have this item sent back and a replacement or refund sent to me. Otherwise I'll be contacting FireStone Audio directly.

Redact II: Already been contacted by the seller and we're starting the replacement process.
 
May 17, 2014 at 7:42 PM Post #4 of 13
Wait so this is a dac and amp combo correct? Because I am looking at it right now for around for a decent price. I think I know what you meant as in you could not use this as just an amp? for like an mp3 player? Sorry if I am misunderstanding
 
May 18, 2014 at 1:18 PM Post #5 of 13
it has an amp inside, so it can drive headphones.  it must go through the dac side though.  so you cannot use it as an amp on its own.  it has no battery so you cannot use it as a portable amp for and ipod or whatever.
 
 
what i think your looking for is the FireyeHD or FireyeHA they have batteries and can be used as amps on their own.  i believe, double check them as ive not used myself.
 
May 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM Post #6 of 13
Well I need a DAC actually as well,. I was just wondering if this DAC could be used on my Samsung S3 like many of the Wolfson chips can be. I also was asking about the amp because of the fact that if I could not use the DAC with the S3 was wondering if I could use the Amp at least. But I understand what you are saying if you plug it in and get it to work you have to use both. Now as far as a DAC do you think this is a better option then some of the others in the sub 100$ area? I mean I could get a Headroom micro dac(non ultra version from 2007) but it only samples at 16bit and it is supposedly a decently expensive portable DAC. Or there is the Firestone Audio Fubar 3 which is a DAC/ amp. I can get the Fireye for around 75 dollars shipped, but I use a DT 990s which tend to be a bit brighter and I do not think it would sound was with this DAC/amp
 
May 19, 2014 at 6:47 AM Post #7 of 13
would the DA work with the s3? erm id think it needs more electrical power but i really dont know.  id still say look towards the HD and HA for that kind of use.
 
would i pick this for sound.  well for me there is a good chance i would.  they are lighter bit brighter sound than many, warm and smooth dac/amps out there.  i enjoyed its punchy sound but as you say, your using witha  bright headphone then maybe a warmer source is what your looking for.  ive no experiance with the Headroom micro, though i wouldnt worry about not doing abouve 16bit.  unless your whole set up is top end and the recording are excelent you just wont benefit from 24bit anyway. think of that as in icing thing.
 
May 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM Post #8 of 13
Well If I do not end up getting this were there any other choices you would recommend for around the same price point? I am looking out the HRT music Streamer II, which supposedly sound great for a usb unit and I know it is both portable and can be used be as stationary unit. I like the fact that this is capabilities to drive up to 600ohm, but whatever I will manage, I was thinking about grabbing the HA (which is on sale from 100+ down to 50$ right now, I just do not know how it sounds. I woudl was then thknking that getting the Gamma 1 lite. 
 
May 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM Post #9 of 13
can the HRT be used portably?
 
i cant say how the HA sounds with certainty but its normally a fairly safe bet that all companies have a house sound.  so i would expect that its sounds similar to the DA i reviewed here.  its a guess but an educateed guess.  50 bucks though sounds like a bit of a bargain to me though
 
May 19, 2014 at 11:54 AM Post #10 of 13
Yes the HRT can be used portably, the fact that it has high ratings decent to good components, is minimal and supposedly can be used with my Samsung s3 with an otg cable. I am kind of in between the HRT the headroom micro dac(which is only 16 bit but is also capable of being used with the s3 along with being portable with batteries) and the Gamma 1 Lite. The FSA Fireeye DA for 75$ shipped is a pretty good deal as well.
 
Aug 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM Post #11 of 13
I recently picked up one of these DAC/Amp combos for the unbelievably low price of $60 shipped on eBay.  I think the same seller is also selling them on Amazon for the same price.  In any case, even with the benefit of the photos from the original review, it's hard to believe how small this little box is!  Still, with as cheap as this thing is selling, I'm hard pressed to think of a better piece of equipment with which to get started.  I'm using it to drive my Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250 Ohm phones, and even at low gain, it has no problem driving them to far louder than I would ever listen.  Something tells me that leaving it on low gain and using "more" of the volume knob may help to eliminate the volume control as a source of distortion.
 
I did go to the trouble of finding the correct AC wall wart.  I found one at a local electronics surplus shop for the princely sum of $2.50!  Since Firestone lists a separate set of specs for both USB or AC power, I figured it would be worth getting everything possible out of my little Fireye DA.
 
I find the Fireye DA to be more or less neutral, especially considering what I am using for headphones.  Many feel the DT990's are really, really bright, but I'm not really of that opinion.  Perhaps my middle aged ears need a little boost up top.  In any case, the Fireye DA doesn't accentuate the high frequency energy, and I find no problem listening for a considerable amount of time without fatigue.
 
For reference, I am using Winamp playing exclusively FLAC files.  I, too, would have preferred that this have some sort of input to bypass the DAC in case I wanted to use it with another DAC, but the thing only cost me $60!  It's hard to be too picky at that price.  If it fits your needs, grab one, you really can't go wrong, especially at this price.
 
Mar 21, 2018 at 9:31 AM Post #12 of 13
I recently picked up one of these DAC/Amp combos for the unbelievably low price of $60 shipped on eBay. I think the same seller is also selling them on Amazon for the same price. In any case, even with the benefit of the photos from the original review, it's hard to believe how small this little box is! Still, with as cheap as this thing is selling, I'm hard pressed to think of a better piece of equipment with which to get started. I'm using it to drive my Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250 Ohm phones, and even at low gain, it has no problem driving them to far louder than I would ever listen. Something tells me that leaving it on low gain and using "more" of the volume knob may help to eliminate the volume control as a source of distortion.

I did go to the trouble of finding the correct AC wall wart. I found one at a local electronics surplus shop for the princely sum of $2.50! Since Firestone lists a separate set of specs for both USB or AC power, I figured it would be worth getting everything possible out of my little Fireye DA.

I find the Fireye DA to be more or less neutral, especially considering what I am using for headphones. Many feel the DT990's are really, really bright, but I'm not really of that opinion. Perhaps my middle aged ears need a little boost up top. In any case, the Fireye DA doesn't accentuate the high frequency energy, and I find no problem listening for a considerable amount of time without fatigue.

For reference, I am using Winamp playing exclusively FLAC files. I, too, would have preferred that this have some sort of input to bypass the DAC in case I wanted to use it with another DAC, but the thing only cost me $60! It's hard to be too picky at that price. If it fits your needs, grab one, you really can't go wrong, especially at this price.

I have been using this DAC/amp for over two years with my Lenovo laptop with Windows Media Player FLAC files converted from CDs.
I have been using this only with USB power.
What is the external power connection (DC 5V) there for?
 
Mar 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM Post #13 of 13
Like I and others have noted above, there are different specs for USB and external power. It's up to you if you notice the difference. I suspect it may make more of a difference for those using really power hungry headphones. I now use mine to feed a small tube amp and speakers on my desk, so I don't really have an opinion.
 

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