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FiiO’s Upgraded Bluetooth Amplifier BTR1K: Qualcomm QCC 3005 BT chip, BT 5.0 and aptX /aptX LL/AAC supported, RGB light, NFC pairing, Type C and USB DAC

Discussion in 'Portable Headphone Amps' started by demond, May 23, 2017.
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  1. fe-lixx
    Thanks for the clarification.

    Well, given the price tag and the fact that the USB feature is sort of a "bonus" you get on top of the Bluetooth functionality, it's still a nice feature. I'm assuming the BTR3 will drive sensitive IEMs especially well? So even at CD-level 16 bit / 44.1 or 48 kHz you'll have a much better output for your typical PC or notebook onboard sound. An additional USB chip with support for much improved performance would mean higher cost, less room for a battery, or a bigger device. I prefer it like this.

    And I'm sure that sooner or later we'll see a device like the Q5 with Bluetooth support on the same level as the BTR3, right? :)
     
  2. Vergil
    I don't want to sound rude, but you guys should definitely download foobar with the ab test plugin. I bet you can't hear the difference between 256kbps aac and flac on your desktop setup, let alone 16 bit flac and 24 bit flac or dsd on a $70 bt dac+amp. Don't buy into the snake oil staff. aac or mp3 on the go, 16/44 flac for your home collection. Everything over this is nothing but a waste of space.
     
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  3. fe-lixx
    I agree with you, and you're right, properly encoded AAC is absolutely transparent to me, even at lower average bitrates than 256 kbps. I don't have a single DSD rip in my collection. But I ripped my CD collection knowing that I'd only do it one time, so with space not being an issue, FLAC is the obvious choice for archival purposes. And the higher resolution stuff I have are things from HDTracks and similar, and I simply keep them stored at that high resolution, because I want to keep the original, even if I know that I most certainly wouldn't hear the difference, if I downsampled it all to CD-level with a proper resampler like SoX. Back when I did some ABX testing, the impression that stuck, is that lossy -> lossy conversions can result in some artifacts, which I was able to hear in "problem samples" (some of them are known for certain codecs, you can look that up over at Hydrogenaudio, for example). So listening to lossless originals is more about making the whole thing a no-brainer for me. I don't even want to think about, if I *might* hear a slight improvement here or there, if I listened to a lossy rip.

    That said, I think I'm realistic about my listening setup when I'm not at home, but on the go. Since all Bluetooth codecs are lossy, even though they're using very high bitrates (like LDAC in the highest mode), I know that I'm also using lossy files as a source. I don't carry around FLAC files, but I'm glad I have the FLAC at home, so I can convert and/or stream using a lossy codec without an additional lossy -> lossy conversion. I'm also using Spotify, which sounds totally fine to me, but when I'm at home, I just prefer to have the purely lossless experience - not because I think I can hear a difference, but because I don't even want to think about that.

    We're miles off topic, though. :p
     
  4. Vergil
    We are in the same boat then. At home I leave everything as it is, no conversion or resampling. Most of my collection consists of 16/44 flacs from CDs, but I have a few high res albums. For $1000+ systems it's advisable to send the source to the DAC untouched (bit-perfect), so artifacts or quality loss introduced by a not so well implemented conversion is out of the question. On a $70 dac+amp I'd not worry about that. There are easier and more noticable ways to up the sq, than including a usb chip that can recieve high res without conversion. Your way of thinking is perfectly reasonable, it's just that 'high-res' is my trigger word. There are better terms to be triggered by though, like 'audiophile ethernet cable' (yep, that's a thing).

    Also this is the BTR1 thread (not BTR3), so it's a bit messed up already. There's nothing wrong with contributing a little to that mess I guess :)
     
  5. fe-lixx
    All right, the mess is made, I agree. :-D We should probably open a new thread for the BTR3 now that it's officially announced with details. The only missing thing on the FiiO site are the specs of all the connectors. Or is there a thread already and I missed it?

    But yeah, I think we can agree about the most important points being made. Although I would disagree about the generalization that a price tag of a HiFi system is an indicator for hi-res content or even lossless vs. lossy content to be more easy to distinguish from one another, if you know what I mean. It's actually a not really well known phenomenon, specific to lossy compression, which highly relies on psychoacoustic models, that particularly bad equipment can emphasize on artifacts produced by lossy codecs. Even more curious is that there have been documented cases of people with certain hearing disabilities being able to detect some lossy compression much more accurately than a person with healthy hearing ever could - because the psychoacoustic models don't work for these individual edge cases. So in short, I want to say, that even cheap and more even outright BAD equipment can help you to detect lossy audio compression in blind tests, because the codecs were designed for some kind of middle ground. And the same goes for the people: We're all individuals, our hearing is more different and subjective than it's often acknowledged around here. Price tags really are overrated. You can have excellent setups with relatively low budgets. Most importantly, find a headphone or earphones that you really like and spend most of your money on them. Then you just need a decent source chain, from files -> (conversion/transcoding) -> DAC -> amp, basically. And that chain can be really affordable, thanks to manufacturers like FiiO. Yes, they cater to an audience where the "audiophile high resolution" stuff is hyped a lot - to each his own - but that doesn't mean that their products are generally bad because of it.

    The theoretically required additional USB chip for a BTR3 to be able to process hi-res content via USB just doesn't make a lot of sense for this device. It just seems like a bit of a waste, given that the DAC chip they're using is capable of so much more. But like I said earlier, I prefer it the way FiiO has designed this thing: Focus on Bluetooth audio, and as a nice addition you get the USB connection. I can understand, if people wonder, why only 16/48 is supported over USB, but with the explanation given, I'd rather see them focus on something like optimizing the amp section after the DAC, so compatibility to many IEMs and smaller headphones will be good.

    And for the people who really "want it all" in one package that's available right now in terms of portable USB DAC/amp + Bluetooth input, those are the people who I think will appreciate something like a Q5 on Bluetooth-steroids, whatever reason they need for that. :)

    Drawing a line here: _____________________________________________________________________

    I want to quote an earlier post I made a while ago that nobody seemed to be interested in, which surprised me a little. I know on Head-Fi it's a bit more about listening to devices and then describe your subjective, individual experience, instead of measuring devices. But I can't believe that only so few people seem to be interested in that aspect when buying new toys?

    So forgive me for "bumping" this, I'll only do it once. If somebody thinks that the post should fit better in some other thread, please let me know or the mods, so it can be moved. I'd appreciate it.

     
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  7. Vergil
    I agree with you, but I never said such a thing. Some HiFi companies charge a hefty sum for their headphones / speakers, because they make lesser quality recordings quite enjoyable, while others raise the price tag along resolution, and of course don't forget those products that cost the earth simply because they can :p

    What I actually meant was that, while nowadays you don't have to spend thousands upon thousands to get decent audio (eg. BTR3 + FH1), there will be some compromises when spending under $300 for the entire system. Resampling and audio going through the OS before reaching the DAC will be the least of your worries.

    Personally I don't care about measurements and price tags (as long as I can afford it of course). What really matters is whether the product makes you enjoy music or not. Be it expensive or cheap, sonically superior or worse. After all you're not buying audio gear to listen to your setup. You're buying all those crap to listen to music, and if you ain't enjoying that, none of the audiophile crap matters.
     
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2018
  8. J The Killer
    How does the BTR1 compare with MPow bluetooth receiver/transmitter in terms of sound?
     
  9. FiiO
    You could have a try in the local store first. :gs1000smile:

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  10. razvanmg
    I currently have a fiio e10k/fiio a5 dac/amp combo. I am looking for something more portable. Would the ES100 provide a similar audio quality?
     
  11. razvanmg
    Will the btr3 have aptx HD?
     
  12. FiiO
    Dear friend,

    The APTX-HD is supported by the BTR3.

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  13. PeterMac
    to remove
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2018
  14. FiiO
    Introducing the FiiO BTR1K Portable High-Fidelity Bluetooth Amplifier

    Make A Difference with the Upgraded Chip

    Thanks to the all-new Qualcomm QCC 3005 Bluetooth chip, the BTR1K is able to support Bluetooth 5.0 and all-new Bluetooth profile as well as various audio codecs--such as the aptX, aptX low latency, SBC and AAC. All of this ensures a stable, high quality Bluetooth audio experience that will bring you closer to how your music was intended to be heard.

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  15. FiiO
    Introducing the FiiO BTR1K Portable High-Fidelity Bluetooth Amplifier

    High-performance AK4376A DAC brings improved performance


    Owing to the QCC Bluetooth chip, the BTR1K is equipped with more room for an optimized algorithm. Compared to the original BTR1, the BTR1K is now able to get an extremely low<2uV noise floor and extremely high 120dB Signal-to-Noise ratio as well as an improved by 50% output power, means that you will be able to catch every last nuance and detail in your music.

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