[WindowsX]

All I see here is people demanding for audible different in basic analog metrics using RMAA. If only they can understand better about DiffMaker, they'll realize how much inaudible range of correlation depth above 100 dB can affect analog signal that can't go above 100 dB after quantization.
 
Regards,
Windows X

 

[limpidglitch]

  All I see here is people demanding for audible different in basic analog metrics using RMAA. If only they can understand better about DiffMaker, they'll realize how much inaudible range of correlation depth above 100 dB can affect analog signal that can't go above 100 dB after quantization.
 
Regards,
Windows X

 
Not necessarily analog, capturing an SPDIF stream would also be interesting.

 

[headfry]

while playing devil's advocate - contrarian/sceptic - role has its value, overplaying that hand
can be destructive. All the reviews on this software that I've found are very positive. Unless
you'd like to argue that the audio review industry is full of easily deceived types, liars or are
all paid off - a ludicrous assertion, as this requires a vast conspiracy that doesn't exist...
persistent attacks only serve to cast negative aspersions on the product, designer and company for no justifiable reason.
 
Next, the crowd asserting that AQ Jitterbug is snake oil, and that no USB cable
can possibly be worth buying over a Belkin Gold will post.

 

[limpidglitch]

Originally Posted by headfry /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
Unless you'd like to argue that the audio review industry is full of easily deceived types, liars or are
all paid off - a ludicrous assertion, as this requires a vast conspiracy that doesn't exist...
persistent attacks only serve to cast negative aspersions on the product, designer and company for no justifiable reason.

 
It requires no conspiracy theory.
All it require is one of two simple things:
 
1. People wanting money, fame, credit, recognition, likes etc.
2. People having cognitive biases
 
Do you diisagree that either of those have an effect?

 

[WindowsX]

   
Not necessarily analog, capturing an SPDIF stream would also be interesting.

 
What is there to measure except identical result and some 'inaudible' measurements that will later be rejected by bits are bits believer? Raising from 12x-13x to 13x-14x for correlation depth is a great to to preserve digital qualities where it's supposed to be the same as original file.
 

  while playing devil's advocate - contrarian/sceptic - role has its value, overplaying that hand
can be destructive. All the reviews on this software that I've found are very positive. Unless
you'd like to argue that the audio review industry is full of easily deceived types, liars or are
all paid off - a ludicrous assertion, as this requires a vast conspiracy that doesn't exist...
persistent attacks only serve to cast negative aspersions on the product, designer and company for no justifiable reason.
 
Next, the crowd asserting that AQ Jitterbug is snake oil, and that no USB cable
can possibly be worth buying over a Belkin Gold will post.

 
Well said. While I can appreciate some people playing villain to find the truth from different angles. However, lately I saw more posts filled with malice and pure destructive attempts to crush people who think differently.
 

   
It requires no conspiracy theory.
All it requires are two simple things:
 
1. People want money, fame, credit, recognition, likes etc.
2. People have cognitive biases
 
Do you diisagree that either of those have an effect?

 
If you think rationally, Fidelizer was made by no name's individual from Thailand without marketing scheme. Placing such things on to indie developer like me is nothing but an honor.
 
Regards,
Windows X

 

[limpidglitch]

   
What is there to measure except identical result and some 'inaudible' measurements that will later be rejected by bits are bits believer?

 
I don't know. Maybe something, maybe nothing.
 

 
If you think rationally, Fidelizer was made by no name's individual from Thailand without marketing scheme. Placing such things on to indie developer like me is nothing but an honor.
 

 
You are here, aren't you, getting exposure?

 

[bfreedma]

while playing devil's advocate - contrarian/sceptic - role has its value, overplaying that hand
can be destructive. All the reviews on this software that I've found are very positive. Unless
you'd like to argue that the audio review industry is full of easily deceived types, liars or are
all paid off - a ludicrous assertion, as this requires a vast conspiracy that doesn't exist...
persistent attacks only serve to cast negative aspersions on the product, designer and company for no justifiable reason.
 
Next, the crowd asserting that AQ Jitterbug is snake oil, and that no USB cable
can possibly be worth buying over a Belkin Gold will post.

I don't know enough about the Jitterbug to reach a specific conclusion, but with jitter rarely being audible, it does seem to be a solution in search of a problem.

No USB cable is worth buying over a Belkin Gold (or any other adequately built USB cable) in terms of performance. If you have evidence that another USB cable makes a positive audible difference, please post it.

 

[headfry]

condeming a product without trying it speaks volumes.

 

[limpidglitch]

 
condeming a product without trying it speaks volumes.

 
What is your view on horoscopes, should they also be tried before casting a judgement?

 

[gregorio]

Originally Posted by headfry /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
All the reviews on this software that I've found are very positive.

 
Then you haven't looked very hard or even read this thread then. That speaks volumes!
 

Originally Posted by headfry /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
Unless you'd like to argue that the audio review industry is full of easily deceived types, liars or are
all paid off - a ludicrous assertion.

 
A "ludicrous assertion" which unfortunately for your argument, has been proven numerous times! That you think it's "ludicrous" when in fact it's been proven, speaks enormous volumes!!
 

Originally Posted by headfry /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
...that no USB cable can possibly be worth buying over a Belkin Gold will post.

 
You're joking right? What, is this your day for "ludicrous assertions"?
 
G

 

[WindowsX]

i tried to make as error-free as possible for pure software environment yet I got told it's inaudible for over 100dB corr depth. OK. Let's do it again with default params where rounding error and stuff takes place on bit-perfect. I tried to run like Archimago measured but I don't have enough spare time for 15 runs each so I'll do 3x3 for now as basic measurements.
 
Aligned master

parameters: -713.7msec, 0.000dB (L),  0.000dB (R)..Corr Depth: 114.5 dB (L), 112.8 dB (R)
parameters: -1.427sec, 0.000dB (L),  0.000dB (R)..Corr Depth: 92.2 dB (L), 91.5 dB (R)
parameters: -2.141sec, 0.000dB (L),  0.000dB (R)..Corr Depth: 118.3 dB (L), 93.7 dB (R)

Average: 0.000dB (0.000-0.000)..Corr Depth: 103.8 dB (91.50-118.3)
Median: 0.000dB..Corr Depth: 93.7 dB
 
Before Fidelizer

parameters: -1.596sec, 0.001dB (L),  0.002dB (R)..Corr Depth: 79.2 dB (L), 72.2 dB (R)
parameters: -1.32sec, 0.003dB (L),  0.004dB (R)..Corr Depth: 69.4 dB (L), 67.7 dB (R)
parameters: -1.012sec, 0.003dB (L),  0.003dB (R)..Corr Depth: 69.1 dB (L), 69.6 dB (R)

Average: 0.003dB (0.001-0.004)..Corr Depth: 71.2 dB (67.7-79.2)
Median: 0.003dB..Corr Depth: 69.4 dB
 
After Fidelizer

parameters: -1.852sec, 0.002dB (L),  0.003dB (R)..Corr Depth: 73.8 dB (L), 69.5 dB (R)
parameters: -953msec, 0.001dB (L),  0.003dB (R)..Corr Depth: 80.8 dB (L), 70.5 dB (R)
parameters: -1.055sec, 0.001dB (L),  0.002dB (R)..Corr Depth: 79.9 dB (L), 73.0 dB (R)

Average: 0.002dB (0.001-0.003)..Corr Depth: 74.6 dB (69.5-79.9)
Median: 0.002dB..Corr Depth: 73.0 dB
 
Except master file, they're all under 100dB so it should be audible. It would make a nice plot in DMAC graph, don't you think?
 
By the way, this is a pure software experiment having no real interaction with hardware. Why do we get over 3db difference on software streaming the same file between recordings with/without Fidelizer?
 
Regards,
Windows X

 

[bfreedma]

condeming a product without trying it speaks volumes.

I have a small necklace that enables a human to fly without any other mechanical assistance. It only works if you jump off an object at least 50 feet above ground level. I assume you would be willing to try it before condemning it....

Ludicrous, of course, but just pointing out the hypocrisy of your post.

 

[limpidglitch]

 
Before Fidelizer

parameters: -1.596sec, 0.001dB (L),  0.002dB (R)..Corr Depth: 79.2 dB (L), 72.2 dB (R)
parameters: -1.32sec, 0.003dB (L),  0.004dB (R)..Corr Depth: 69.4 dB (L), 67.7 dB (R)
parameters: -1.012sec, 0.003dB (L),  0.003dB (R)..Corr Depth: 69.1 dB (L), 69.6 dB (R)

Average: 0.003dB (0.001-0.004)..Corr Depth: 71.2 dB (67.7-79.2)
Median: 0.003dB..Corr Depth: 69.4 dB
 
After Fidelizer

parameters: -1.852sec, 0.002dB (L),  0.003dB (R)..Corr Depth: 73.8 dB (L), 69.5 dB (R)
parameters: -953msec, 0.001dB (L),  0.003dB (R)..Corr Depth: 80.8 dB (L), 70.5 dB (R)
parameters: -1.055sec, 0.001dB (L),  0.002dB (R)..Corr Depth: 79.9 dB (L), 73.0 dB (R)

Average: 0.002dB (0.001-0.003)..Corr Depth: 74.6 dB (69.5-79.9)
Median: 0.002dB..Corr Depth: 73.0 dB

 
Running a quick one-sided t-test on that gives a p-value of 0.12. Not terrible, but not conclusive either. Given the low sample size it shouldn't be given too much weight.

 

[watchnerd]

 
condeming a product without trying it speaks volumes.

 
I have some X-ray glasses you should try n' buy.

 

[watchnerd]

  full of easily deceived types, liars or are
all paid off - a ludicrous assertion

 
Actually, it's not a ludicrous assertion and has turned out to be true multiple times.  The audio industry is full of charlatans and the press has been duped multiple times:
 
Tice Audio Clock scandal: http://www.stereophile.com/artdudleylistening/listening_85/#PU31Ft58iflXJGrJ.97
 
CD Stoplight / Green pen tweak: http://www.snopes.com/music/media/marker.asp
 
Peter Belt Quantum Tweezers: http://www.pwbelectronics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/q_clip.jpg
 
Morphic Message Labels: http://www.machinadynamica.com/
 
...and there are many more.