[Doug2507]

I wouldn’t. Bliss changed by a mile after 100h. Whats unusual here is that it took 450h of break in, which is a lot. And if thats the case, its something that should been done by the manu.

450h also seems to be ballpark for WE break in, coincidence?

 

[Newsee]

I wouldn’t. Bliss changed by a mile after 100h. Whats unusual here is that it took 450h of break in, which is a lot. And if thats the case, its something that should been done by the manu.

How the hell you guys are counting?
I use my equipment so randomly that after a week I cannot tell any more which was used 4 hours, which 40.

450 hours are more than 2.5 weeks continuos burning. Or 56 working days. Crazy.

 

[ThanatosVI]

Makes me wonder why the narrative changed all of a sudden. The Envy is a very good amp that they didn't give much credit. After a few people mention that they have never heard grain, the test unit may need more time on it, and several other reviewers who have reviewed both, clearly place Envy ahead of the Cayin, now they are saying it bests the Cayin in many categories.

I'm glad they are starting to appreciate the Envy but definitely makes me question how 3 people that were adamant about their observations to the point where they all agreed that the Cayin was better are now saying the opposite.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

Cynical people, like me, would assume that the "leaks" of their review, had a controversial take on it. And after they realized that next to nobody shares that opinion and if they were to release a review like that, they'd lose all credibility as reviewer.
Now they needed a reason for a 180 in opinion, and there it is, magical non verifiable burn in!

I wouldn’t. Bliss changed by a mile after 100h. Whats unusual here is that it took 450h of break in, which is a lot. And if thats the case, its something that should been done by the manu.

Well since it's not the case, nothing is done by the manufacturer.

 

[Leto Dal]

Makes me wonder why the narrative changed all of a sudden. The Envy is a very good amp that they didn't give much credit. After a few people mention that they have never heard grain, the test unit may need more time on it, and several other reviewers who have reviewed both, clearly place Envy ahead of the Cayin, now they are saying it bests the Cayin in many categories.

I'm glad they are starting to appreciate the Envy but definitely makes me question how 3 people that were adamant about their observations to the point where they all agreed that the Cayin was better are now saying the opposite.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

All three people in CMA chat been listening to the same unit at Kojis place I believe. I think at this point the claim that there is any grain can be debunked as issue of insufficient break in of demo units either way.

 

[Harry_H]

Well I'm really happy with the amp and it have listening less than 450h. Looking forward the next mind-blowing experience

But I guess this 450h comes form tubes burn in. I Have had many audio gear and usually the sound get settled in 50-150h

 

[Leto Dal]

Well since it's not the case, nothing is done by the manufacturer

Is it so? I believe several people with zero stakes in the game not spending a cent on the unit, are worth listening too, especially when one of those is a rather reputable reviewer in the scene.

I think its good when new people who try Envy are aware that their ffreshly bought unit might need some break in, before they draw any conclusions. Not every criticism is bad, sometimes it can be rather useful, especially when you really like the brand.

Assuming that there is any serious financial gain in „leaking“ negative info is tinfoil hat territory in my books considering how small the audio review youtube channel is, as long as there are no obvious brand promotions (hello Golden), those are mere audio gear enthusiasts like the rest of us.

But I guess this 450h comes form tubes burn in. I Have had many audio gear and usually the sound get settled in 50-150h

Nope, they rolled different sets of tubes on their unit all the time

 

[Harry_H]

@ThanatosVI about your profile picture .... are you running FullMusic tubes in your Customer AE

edit: not saying that there is something wrong with FM tubes

Sorry, bad joke

 

[ThanatosVI]

@ThanatosVI about your profile picture .... are you running FullMusic tubes in your Customer AE

edit: not saying that there is something wrong with FM tubes

Sorry, bad joke

The profile picture ist still my old Performance Edition, stock with Fullmusic tubes
Didn't change it yet. Something for the ToDo list

 

[Allears79]

The profile picture ist still my old Performance Edition, stock with Fullmusic tubes
Didn't change it yet. Something for the ToDo list

Fullmusic is pretty good actually. I just changed to WE and besides being more refined (especially in the mids), I think my 1266 was performing better with the Fullmusic. I feel that WE is causing some bass distortion, depending on the recording. Maybe it needs burn in time before I can judge

 

[Leto Dal]

Fullmusic is pretty good actually. I just changed to WE and besides being more refined (especially in the mids), I think my 1266 was performing better with the Fullmusic. I feel that WE is causing some bass distortion, depending on the recording. Maybe it needs burn in time before I can judge

Western Electric’s 300B Application Note:

“The filament of a Western Electric 300B is aged or “burned-in” for nine hours following strict procedures established by Bell Laboratories engineers. While this initial duration is sufficient to meet quality control standards, a 300B sometimes requires additional time, in some cases up to 500 hours, to reach its full potential during music playback”

 

[Kirklandia]

Western Electric’s 300B Application Note:

“The filament of a Western Electric 300B is aged or “burned-in” for nine hours following strict procedures established by Bell Laboratories engineers. While this initial duration is sufficient to meet quality control standards, a 300B sometimes requires additional time, in some cases up to 500 hours, to reach its full potential during music playback”

Should reach that 500 hours by the end of summer...

 

[Doug2507]

7hrs run, 1hr cool... x3.. x24 days. Job done.

 

[AudioFanX]

Who will agree with this and who will deny it? - A good amp does not need tube rolling to work at its best and does not change so much when you use different tubes.

 

[Doug2507]

In my very limited experience, firmly in the deny camp. Put two tubes with opposing synergy in and it's not a great experience. Good tube matching I'd guess is maybe even more important than the electronics inside.

 

[ThanatosVI]

Who will agree with this and who will deny it? - A good amp does not need tube rolling to work at its best and does not change so much when you use different tubes.

A good amp will sound good even with cheap stock tubes, but will improve and sound great with a great pair of tubes