Feliks-Audio ELISE...New thread.

[K4RL]

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AND NOW I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT YOU SOME OF MY HIGHLIGHTS FROM THIS THREAD! 

 

 
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Man, it's been such a long time since I visited the thread that I don't even know what the EL3N is. Thanks for putting this summary together so I don't have to catch up on the past few hundred pages. 
 
I just wanted to stop by and give my long-term thoughts on the Elise. The best thing I can say is that I've lost interest in head-fi. When I listen to the HD650s <-- Elise (stock powers & C3g [thanks h1!]) <-- Bifrost, there's nothing I would change about the sound. The setup makes me smile all the time and I'm still catching little bits of details in the music that I haven't heard before. Maybe there're better tubes and headphones, but this sounds so perfect that I absolutely don't care to try them. People around head-fi seem to use the term "end-game" fairly readily, but I think this is really what it's about. I wish the rest of you the best on your way. Now, back to the music

 

 

[JazzVinyl]

H1. Certainly I have experienced significant differences with power tubes, but it seems at least in part due to the headphone in use. The 6BL7s worked great with my HD700s (impedance 150 ohms) but not so good with the T1s (600 ohm impedance). I wonder if impedance of the particular phone might be partially responsible for differences people are experiencing using the same power tubes. That might seem possible in an OTL amp.

Right, and multiple 6BL7's cure the "unable to drive problem".

I said 1x 6BL7 were unable to drive my 600 ohm Beyers' as well. My impression of them using 1x, was poor, for that very reason.

 

[pctazhp]

@JazzVinyl  When Mrs. Xuling returns from vacation, I'll order dual adapters for both the EL3Ns and 6BL7s and will see what I see. Or I guess, I will hear what I hear 

 

 

[JazzVinyl]

JV:  When Mrs. Xuling returns from vacation, I'll order dual adapters for both the EL3Ns and 6BL7s and will see what I see. Or I guess, I will hear what I hear 

Very nice.

Your in for some serious ear candy....

 

[pctazhp]

@UntilThen Is this the right adapter for the 6N23Ps? http://www.ebay.com/itm/201424647702
 
I couldn't find one from Mrs. Xuling on ebay. Thanks

 

[UntilThen]

Don't you guys sleep ? !!! 

 

[UntilThen]

  @UntilThen Is this the right adapter for the 6N23Ps? http://www.ebay.com/itm/201424647702
 
I couldn't find one from Mrs. Xuling on ebay. Thanks

Hi P,
 
Seems Mrs XuLing does not have the 6922 to 6SN7 adapters anymore. I got mine from her at $19.80 a pair back in 4th Sept 2015.
 
Your link is very expensive. Get the one below from Suzier. It's much cheaper.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tube-Amplifier-E88CC-6922-Replace-6SN7-6SL7-Tube-Socket-Adapter-Suzier-D5-1PCS-/281787402366?hash=item419bd6887e
 
Cheers,

 

[UntilThen]

   
Man, it's been such a long time since I visited the thread that I don't even know what the EL3N is. Thanks for putting this summary together so I don't have to catch up on the past few hundred pages. 
 
I just wanted to stop by and give my long-term thoughts on the Elise. The best thing I can say is that I've lost interest in head-fi. When I listen to the HD650s <-- Elise (stock powers & C3g [thanks h1!]) <-- Bifrost, there's nothing I would change about the sound. The setup makes me smile all the time and I'm still catching little bits of details in the music that I haven't heard before. Maybe there're better tubes and headphones, but this sounds so perfect that I absolutely don't care to try them. People around head-fi seem to use the term "end-game" fairly readily, but I think this is really what it's about. I wish the rest of you the best on your way. Now, back to the music

 

Love the forum. I'm tickled pink. You're very wise @K4RL to stop at stock powers and C3g. If you're happy with that then yeah why carry on. Just be happy with that and listen to music. 

 
 
Which is what I should be doing instead of doing this monster comparison :-
 
4x6SN7 vs 4xEL3N vs 4x6BL7 as power tubes
 
using 2x6N23P as driver tubes. 
 
...but hey it's one more for the road, then it's sunshine with my music. There's enough good sounding tubes here in my inventory to last a millennium years.

 

[pctazhp]

@UntilThen Thanks. Suzier's is also much nicer looking ))
 
Sleep??? That's a pretty radical concept don't you think????

 

[mordy]

Hi pct,
 
I did notice that Suzier has an option "make offer". You may want to try to make a low ball offer and may get back a decent counter offer - worth trying IMHO.
 
The shipping for two is $5.20 which may afford more wiggle room with the pricing.
 
I seem to remember that you can buy impedance adapters to use with your headphones; they simply plug in into the headphone jack and then the headphone plug goes into the adapter. However, I cannot find the link at the moment, but I think that that you could convert low impedance to higher impedance.
 
Would be interesting to find out if this is a workaround for headphones that don't sound good with certain tube combinations.

 

[UntilThen]

   
Interesting experiments, UT...as are yours @JazzVinyl...

 
One thing is beginning to have me somewhat confused, however - ie. the overwhelming concensus in head-fi land is that it's the DRIVERS that really determine the sound signature...the powers (mostly) just add necessary current.
 
Now I know we have shown that power/output tubes can actually have more influence than some might believe, but are we saying here that they can have a dramatic influence,   and therefore flying in the face of convention, lol?!!

...I look forward to more experimental findings from folks willing to put this to the test - and confound established 'wisdom'...

...More interesting times ahead...

I know this is getting too crazy. I want to get back to the start... get a juicy pair of drivers and power tubes and be done with it. 
 
Like a pair of Tung Sol 6SN7GT black round plates and a pair of GEC 6AS7G. Sounds good? No ugly contraption, no adapters, no over heating and should be glorious sound right? 

 

 

[Oskari]

  Seems Mrs XuLing does not have the 6922 to 6SN7 adapters anymore. I got mine from her at $19.80 a pair back in 4th Sept 2015.

 
She does.
 

1. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-ECC88-6DJ8-6922-6N11-TO-6SN7-6N8P-VT231-B65-Tube-converter-adapter-/201042793753
2. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-Gold-plated-6922-6DJ8-ECC88-TO-6SN7GT-B65-CV1988-tube-converter-adapter-/191548238624
3. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-gold-plated-instead-6SN7-B65-12SN7-6SL7-12SL7-Multi-tube-converter-adapter-/191683185290

 

[mordy]

OK - found the impedance adapter I had in mind:
 
"This item can custom made different ohm impedance adaptor(15, 30, 33, 36, 68, 91, 120, 150, 200 & 300ohm)."
 

 
Here is the link:
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IMPEDANCE-RESISTANCE-ADAPTOR-3-5MM-TO-6-35MM-PLUG-/300453295797?hash=item45f46976b5mCmMlix0arqZHJgAFdWutxA
 
Does anybody know if such and adapter has any sound coloration?

 

[mordy]

Hi Oskari,
 
The third link that you listed is very interesting - it is a multi adapter with changeable jumpers that can accommodate some 30 different types of tubes, 6 and 12 volts. Hopefully it comes with instructions......

 

[Oskari]

  Hi Oskari,
 
The third link that you listed is very interesting - it is a multi adapter with changeable jumpers that can accommodate some 30 different types of tubes, 6 and 12 volts. Hopefully it comes with instructions......

 
"

after order will send excel list tubes." So hopefully. ​

 
I think it'll let you use tubes such as 6CG7 and ECC88/6DJ8 instead of 6SN7GT, tubes such as 12CG7 to replace 12SN7GT, and tubes such as ECC82/12AU7 to replace both 6SN7GT and 12SN7GT.