Feliks-Audio ELISE...New thread.

[UntilThen]

The only bike that I ever had is the Yamaha 175cc scrambler when I was 18. Now you guys are getting me excited over those bikes.

 

[MIKELAP]

  Really like your bike collections aqsw. I really don't know about Mott the Hoople but I do know Bad Company.
 
Mike just when I thought I have enough tubes. I do like the look of those 6F8G/6C8G tubes with adapters. Share your thoughts on how it sounds.
 
This is an interesting article on the history of 6SN7. http://www.hifi-tunes.com/the-evolution-of-a-constant-glow-in-high-fidelity/

Found this, a review of several brands of 6F8G, he's much better at describing sound than ill ever be .                                  Also it seems that Vocals and Instrumental music is very nice with this tube                                                                                                                      gibosi if i recall mentioned that the 6C8G is the same but way cheaper than the 6F8G as a matter of fact i just bought 5 of them for $25.00  happy with that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

 

[UntilThen]

Hmmm I feel the itch now to try those tubes with tentacles.

 

[supersonic395]

  Good day Supersonic.
 
Several owners of Elise have it paired with Beyer T1 and are very happy. Stock tubes with the russian 6H13C and Tung Sol 6SN7GTB reissue are ok for a start. If you really want great sound try the following combo in order of preference.
 
GEC 6AS7G and ECC31
Tung Sol 5998 and ECC31
Chatham 6AS7G and ECC31
 
don't worry about the Melz.
 
In truth I believe you will get great sound even with a pair of Chatham 6AS7G and a nice pair of NOS 6SN7 like Sylvania 6SN7W but the ECC31 has been endorsed by a lot of Elise owners. There is another alternative to ECC31 but only a few impressions so far which sounds good. It's the 6N7G and the FDD20. Don't want to confuse you but my advice start with the stock tubes without upgrades and then try one of the 3 combos up above.
 
All the best. Hope you get one and join us.
 
Good man you read the old thread in full.

  Hope you like the jokes too.

 
 
Thank you for your reply.
 
Okay cool, do the stock tungsol tubes that ship with the Elise add some warmth to the beyer T1 treble and enhance the low end response?

 

[UntilThen]

I have no experience with the Tung Sol 6SN7GTB. I will soon know when my Elise arrives in 2 weeks time. I have read good reviews of it though. This is taken from a user review:-
 
I was surprised and pleased to discover just what a great tube this is. I expected to hear a bit too much warmth through the upper midrange with a slight roll on the top. What I hear is a smooth linear response through the mid band and into the treble with no roll off. The top end has extension with no grain what so ever. These new production Tung-Sol's have gone up against the best of the best NOS European and US made 6SN7's and they truly are a wonderful tube at an awesome price.
 
Several users here have those stock tubes with T1. I'll let them chime in.

 

[MIKELAP]

 

  Really like your bike collections aqsw. I really don't know about Mott the Hoople but I do know Bad Company.
 
Mike just when I thought I have enough tubes. I do like the look of those 6F8G/6C8G tubes with adapters. Share your thoughts on how it sounds.
 
This is an interesting article on the history of 6SN7. http://www.hifi-tunes.com/the-evolution-of-a-constant-glow-in-high-fidelity/

Found this, a review of several brands of 6F8G, he's much better at describing sound than ill ever be .                                  Also it seems that Vocals and Instrumental music is very nice with this tube                                                                                                                      gibosi if i recall mentioned that the 6C8G is the same but way cheaper than the 6F8G as a matter of fact i just bought 5 of them for $25.00  happy with that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

Wanted to add that rebranding is the name of the game with these tubes so check structure closely when buying singles with different brands you could possibly get a good deal .instead of buying pairs

 

[UntilThen]

From the link which I posted, RCA was the first to bring out the 6F8G in September 1937. Omg these tubes are old.

 

[MIKELAP]

  From the link which I posted, RCA was the first to bring out the 6F8G in September 1937. Omg these tubes are old.

Predecessor to the 6SN7 actually 

 

[UntilThen]

I find these tubes combination gives the best warm and lush sound that I love with my Darkvoice 336se and HD650. I have no doubt they will do so with the Elise too.
Tung Sol 5998 and RCA 6SN7GT Smoke Glass VT231.
 

 

 

[hypnos1]

  Hello everyone, I'm new to this place and was seeking some guidance on a future Elise purchase and would love to have some help please (I also read the previous thread in full )
 
I'm going to pair it with the Beyer T1 and wanted to ask what the best tube configuration is for the best low end response, overall richness and smooth treble.
 
Should I get the Elise as stock or with the Melz upgrade or the Sylvanias WGTA nos tubes?
 
(I do not want to tube roll myself and am happy to pay the extra).

 
Welcome s395...nice to see we have fresh blood already in the new thread, and that you are attracted to the Elise.
Hearty congrats also that you took the trouble to read the (sadly locked..

) previous thread - IN FULL?...well done!
 
It is SO difficult to advise on tube config...there are so many variables - not just the rest of the system, but different ears and personal preference...not forgetting the budget!!
 
As UT says, don't spent too much first off...and hold back on further choices until we have more feedback from other owners, not just on the (vast!) range of 6SN7s especially but also the latest 'alternatives' that require adapters...and then the range of 6AS7G/6080 power tubes is also great. I'm afraid there is no quick, easy, definitive answer to your plea...just take your time and digest the very informative and helpful info posted to date (probably need a few re-reads, lol!), which will be added to in good measure very soon...
 
UT has listed some of the very best tubes you could wish for...but they come at a price, and some (especially the GEC 6AS7G variants) are very few and far between.
 
I too have the T1s (fabulous!) and until we have more feedback on the 6N7G ("Coke Bottle" shape) tubes, the sound you are looking for has, for me, been delivered in FULL only by the ECC31 drivers - helped of course by my GEC CV2523s (6AS7G)! But they (the 31s) are quite expensive - £60 to £65 each NOS from mainstream sources, unless you are lucky (and patient) enough to find a cheaper pair on ebay. (The FDD20 I have found is probably not your cup of tea, as it needs a separate 12V heater supply). Others will verify the superb qualities of the ECC31. The GEC powers are horrendously expensive, alas!
 
Hope this is of some help to you at least...just remember - take your time...

...and good luck!
 
Cheers,
CJ

 

[UntilThen]

Does anyone use Amarra for Tidal? I'm currently evaluating it and must say it's a different experience.
 
It has software EQ build in for you to tune the frequency spectrum to your hearts content. It's as easy as that. So in addition to tuning with tubes, you have the EQ to compensate for the sound till it suits you. Amarra is a software engine that takes over Tidal's and gives you an improved sonic experience to explore the vast music collections held in Tidal. I'm a computer audio person. The convenience of accessing music at a click and the high quality of the lossless files works just for me. My iMac is dedicated solely for music playback and no other tasks. I have my Windows PC for other purposes.
 
With Amarra for Tidal, you're positioned in the 1st row of the concert. Music just become closer and more intimate.
 
Amarra for TIDAL includes professional–grade Sonic EQ and 14 factory presets providing compensation curves for popular headphone models from Apple earpods, Audeze LCD2 & 3, Grado 1000, KEF M500, Etymotic, Alpha Dog and others, while additional presets address popular music genres, from acoustic and classical to jazz and rock. Users may also personalize their presets and save them to be recalled at any time.

 

[MIKELAP]

  Does anyone use Amarra for Tidal? I'm currently evaluating it and must say it's a different experience.
 
It has software EQ build in for you to tune the frequency spectrum to your hearts content. It's as easy as that. So in addition to tuning with tubes, you have the EQ to compensate for the sound till it suits you. Amarra is a software engine that takes over Tidal's and gives you an improved sonic experience to explore the vast music collections held in Tidal. I'm a computer audio person. The convenience of accessing music at a click and the high quality of the lossless files works just for me. My iMac is dedicated solely for music playback and no other tasks. I have my Windows PC for other purposes.
 
With Amarra for Tidal, you're positioned in the 1st row of the concert. Music just become closer and more intimate.
 
Amarra for TIDAL includes professional–grade Sonic EQ and 14 factory presets providing compensation curves for popular headphone models from Apple earpods, Audeze LCD2 & 3, Grado 1000, KEF M500, Etymotic, Alpha Dog and others, while additional presets address popular music genres, from acoustic and classical to jazz and rock. Users may also personalize their presets and save them to be recalled at any time.

I've been using Musicbee for several years it handles my 20,000+tunes efficiently this is my main screen                                       

 

[UntilThen]

Ah seems interesting but for Windows only. This is different from what I had in mind but certainly useful for my own large collections of music. I'll give MusicBee a go on the Windows PC. It's free !!!

 

[UntilThen]

So I have Amarra for Tidal going on the iMac and MusicBee on the PC. I couldn't but help agree with Sonic Studio's claim about Amarra for Tidal. Wider soundstage, better dynamics and quieter background. Leonard Cohen sounding even better than I can remember.

 

[K4RL]

Hey all!
 
I was a little worried when the Elise thread was locked for a few days, but I'm glad to see us refugees have made it out alive. It's not quite the same, but maybe in time, we can make this thread a home! Allow me to spruce up the place with my finest nighttime iPhone pic. Thanks to H1 for the C3gs, and especially for undressing them for a much more interesting picture. 
 
 
 
I've probably clocked >150 hours on my Elise and I'm thinking of the most useful way to compare it to the Crack+SB. I'll give it more thought this week and hopefully do some A/B comparisons this weekend. Note that I haven't heard the crack in a good, long while now, but off the top of my head I remember it having a noisier background and being less holographic than the Elise is. I expect that much to stay true, heading into side by side tests.
 
BTW, I also use music bee with WASAPI for PC listening. I'm not convinced that I can tell a difference between that and standard iTunes, except in the case of high res FLAC files.