Feliks Audio Elise Impressions Thread – a New Start (please read first post for summary)

[UntilThen]

  Life does not consist just of EL11/12. This morning listening to Crosby, Stills & Nash - Tidal Masters - through Sylvania 6SN7WGT/GEC 6AS7G. Life don't get better than this

 
That's right. You have to cycle through your collection of tubes. That's the reason you got a tube amp and carefully selected all those tubes.

 

[angpsi]

   
I like Macy Gray. A very unique voice. That song 'I Try' is a favourite but it's a different rendition on the binaural recording.
 
This is what I have from HD Tracks on Chesky Binaural Sound.
 

It's on TIDAL too! Just look for artist "Dr Chesky"! (there's also an "appears on" section for him too!)

 

[UntilThen]

 
It's on TIDAL too! Just look for artist "Dr Chesky"! (there's also an "appears on" section for him too!)

 
I know. I just want to see if there's any difference between HD Tracks and Tidal HiFi. 

 

[angpsi]

Interesting find: @Oskari, are these Svetlanas?
 

 

[mordy]

The double saucer getter is the give-away - Russkies. Just pulled out a 1963 Svetlana and it looks exactly the same.
 
How much do they want for these forgeries? $15/pair?
 

 

[HOWIE13]

 
@HOWIE13, didn't realize you were getting interference with your dual EL12spez setup! According to MrsX, the dual adapter is supposedly befit to the power seat wile the single one is meant to work in the driver position. Given that my single 12spez/adapter work fine in the driver's seat, I didn't expect that! Care to elaborate for me 'cause I probably missed it?

Nah-the dual adapter buzzes just the same as the single one in the power sockets. Easy remedy with foil around the adapter anode wires and some extra foil over one of the anode caps.
 
Now total silence.
 
I've been lucky not to require any extra wires attached to the tubes. I think this is probably dependent on position and where the interference is located. Maybe also something to do with mains earthing in house etc.
 
Like you, in the driver position, the single adapters are not shielded with foil and have never buzzed.

 

[hypnos1]

  Interesting find: @Oskari, are these Svetlanas?
 

 
Hi ang...pure Russian, as mordy says. And far too many of these "misleading" ones about, with BIG names on and an inflated price to match lol!!

There are even "Mullard" ones with "Made in England" on them...now that is pure fraudulent behaviour...no excuses!!!...The dead giveaway is indeed those double "flying saucer" bottom getters...(have lost count of the number of times I've given out warnings on this...and they still keep appearing on ebay LOL!!

...).
 
Re. your own experience of the EL11/12 combo, I can fully understand your viewpoint...the presentation is indeed an extremely rich and full-bodied one, and not to everyone's taste. It wasn't mine at first actually, after ECC31/GEC A1834 magic - but it is now lol!!

. But given everyone's hearing and preferences are different, you don't surprise me at all. One must stick with what one likes...naturally!

 
Y'know...I really am beginning to wonder if Euforia is actually handling these tubes somewhat differently to Elise - it's going to be extremely interesting to hear what folks find, who will have both to compare side-by-side. If anything, Euforia is even richer than Elise, but I can't say I recognise in my setup any of the more negative (to your ears) aspects you mention...but I'm sure my tube DAC has quite a lot to do with that lol!!

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But I'm really glad you are obviously very impressed with Elise...this is all that counts, after all.

...CHEERS!!...

 

[Oskari]

Hi ang...pure Russian, as mordy says. And far too many of these "misleading" ones about, with BIG names on and an inflated price to match lol!! There are even "Mullard" ones with "Made in England" on them...now that is pure fraudulent behaviour...no excuses!!!...The dead giveaway is indeed those double "flying saucer" bottom getters...(have lost count of the number of times I've given out warnings on this...and they still keep appearing on ebay LOL!! :angry_face: ...).

They don't even have to be illegal rebrands as such. Those Tfks were labeled for the German military. Caveat emptor.

 

[HOWIE13]

@angpsi @UntilThen 
 
Just catching up on the fascinating discussion between you both concerning the tubes.
 
One big difference, for me, I would think could be the different headphones you are using.
 
The HD600 is very good but doesn't have, to my ears, the bass, or particularly the sub-bass to underpin the detail and clarity that EL11/12/spez tubes provide to not only the bass but also the mid and higher registers. 
 
It also doesn't have the holographic sound-stage of the T1, which allows all the EL11/12 detail to breathe and come across in an effortless manner to your ears as you are embraced into the sound.

 

[hypnos1]

  @angpsi @UntilThen 
 
Just catching up on the fascinating discussion between you both concerning the tubes.
 
One big difference, for me, I would think could be the different headphones you are using.
 
The HD600 is very good but doesn't have, to my ears, the  bass, or particularly the sub-bass to underpin the detail and clarity that EL11/12 tubes provide to not only the bass but also the mid and higher registers. 
 
It also doesn't have the holographic sound-stage of the T1, which allows all the EL11/12 detail to breathe and come across in an effortless manner to your ears as you are embraced into the sound.

 
Couldn't have put it better myself, H13...I'm quite sure the points you make are indeed very pertinent to the final outcome...(and even more so when you put Euforia into the equation lol!!

).

 

[HOWIE13]

   
Couldn't have put it better myself, H13...I'm quite sure the points you make are indeed very pertinent to the final outcome...(and even more so when you put Euforia into the equation lol!!

).

I've just read your recent post about EL11/12/spez and Euforia.
 
If Euforia adds even more richness to the sound, that really will be something extra-special. 

 

 

[hypnos1]

  I've just read your recent post about EL11/12/spez and Euforia.
 
If Euforia adds even more richness to the sound, that really will be something extra-special. 

 

 
"Extra" indeed, H13...that quality mentioned applies to all tubes...but without being too syrupy lol!!

Just as with Elise, there will be a combination to suit ALL tastes...

...with one proviso...from my own experience with the Melz 6H8C drivers, I really think they would actually be too dynamic for my taste...unless, perhaps, driving very light/thin sounding powers and/or headphones (which wouldn't now appeal to me anyway lol!!).

 

[UntilThen]

 
Y'know...I really am beginning to wonder if Euforia is actually handling these tubes somewhat differently to Elise - it's going to be extremely interesting to hear what folks find, who will have both to compare side-by-side. If anything, Euforia is even richer than Elise, but I can't say I recognise in my setup any of the more negative (to your ears) aspects you mention...but I'm sure my tube DAC has quite a lot to do with that lol!!

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I'll soon find out whether Euforia handles the EL tubes or any other tubes better than Elise. I sure hope so..... 

 
Neither do I recognise in my setup any of the more negative aspects angpsi mentioned about the EL tubes. I certainly don't find them shouty or shrill but I'm a reasonable man. I'll agree to disagree. 

 

[UntilThen]

  @angpsi @UntilThen 
 
Just catching up on the fascinating discussion between you both concerning the tubes.
 
One big difference, for me, I would think could be the different headphones you are using.
 
The HD600 is very good but doesn't have, to my ears, the bass, or particularly the sub-bass to underpin the detail and clarity that EL11/12/spez tubes provide to not only the bass but also the mid and higher registers. 
 
It also doesn't have the holographic sound-stage of the T1, which allows all the EL11/12 detail to breathe and come across in an effortless manner to your ears as you are embraced into the sound.

 
Spot on Howie. HD600 was brought to my home and I was able to audition HD600, modified HD650 and T1 on Elise with various tubes.
 
Without doubt, I much prefer T1, modded HD650 and HD600 in that order.

 

[HPLobster]

  Finally I have Octopus for my Elise:
 

 
If it helps make this sound even better

....... COUNT ME IN!