FATfreq Impressions Thread - Bass Cannons and More
Sep 29, 2022 at 2:43 PM Post #31 of 1,960
The Maestro series, however, was a completely new territory to me. I thought it was a bit too extreme, otherwise I would have bought a pair at the show. But the combination of the stomach-hitting bass, the mostly neutral midrange and the fairly smooth treble was eye-opening to say the least.
Now this is really getting me excited for my mini's to arrive. I love good bass, and much prefer smooth treble over that ultra etched/overly detailed sound. Some of the higher end ones sound interesting too, but I just have no desire to spend that kind of money these days, so the unique tuning at a price that seems decent.. yea, looking forward to it.

Now for those that have ordered... how long should I be expecting to wait? Been just over a week, havent received any shipping notification yet.
 
Sep 29, 2022 at 6:08 PM Post #32 of 1,960
Now this is really getting me excited for my mini's to arrive. I love good bass, and much prefer smooth treble over that ultra etched/overly detailed sound. Some of the higher end ones sound interesting too, but I just have no desire to spend that kind of money these days, so the unique tuning at a price that seems decent.. yea, looking forward to it.

Now for those that have ordered... how long should I be expecting to wait? Been just over a week, havent received any shipping notification yet.
Congrats, you are in for a real treat!

When I ordered my minis at the end of August, I ordered on a Sunday and had them in hand (in USA) by the following Friday. It could be with Canjam and the recent uptick in interest they are taking longer, or I may have just been lucky... where are you located?
 
Sep 29, 2022 at 7:44 PM Post #33 of 1,960
Congrats, you are in for a real treat!

When I ordered my minis at the end of August, I ordered on a Sunday and had them in hand (in USA) by the following Friday. It could be with Canjam and the recent uptick in interest they are taking longer, or I may have just been lucky... where are you located?
Yea I'm looking forward to them. Just hoping they fit me well.

I'm also in the US. The shipping said 3-7 days via DHL, but haven't even gotten notification that it shipped yet. Might just reach out to them and see about getting an update.
 
Sep 29, 2022 at 9:26 PM Post #34 of 1,960
Yea I'm looking forward to them. Just hoping they fit me well.

I'm also in the US. The shipping said 3-7 days via DHL, but haven't even gotten notification that it shipped yet. Might just reach out to them and see about getting an update.
I hate late shipping.😡 How fast i can get something has a huge impact with my purchasing decision.
 
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Sep 30, 2022 at 12:41 AM Post #35 of 1,960
I hate late shipping.😡 How fast i can get something has a huge impact with my purchasing decision.

(not about fatfreq-just a general observation) IMO even more irritating is if there's a lack of communication- For something non-vital, don't mind slow as long as the expectation is established before checkout, but an e-mail really needs to go out automatically if shipping lead time or in-stock status changes. (small businesses seem to struggle with this often)
 
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Sep 30, 2022 at 1:16 AM Post #36 of 1,960
Well I guess I should wait and see on the Grand pricing, buy 1800 for a high end tribrid isn't that crazy (looking at you, UM).

Agree 100 percent on design conformity. It seems like every influencer just wants to see a slight Harman variation and it unfortunately drowns out real specialists like these!
Oh yes, so agree...👍

By the way...

Very tempting you are.... 😳🤣😇

Those little monsters seem to rock hard ! 😱😎
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 9:20 AM Post #37 of 1,960
I hate late shipping.😡 How fast i can get something has a huge impact with my purchasing decision.
Oh I definitely get that.

Anyways I did reach out to them, sounds like they just have received a lot of orders lately and do not have any built and ready to ship so are building them as ordered. Maybe due to some of the positive mentions or canjam, who knows.

I also agree that their site should probably be updated to reflect this, but it's not a huge deal and they have been super responsive every time I have reached out.

Sounds like mine should be shipping out sometime next week.
 
Sep 30, 2022 at 11:27 PM Post #38 of 1,960
Nice Canjam coverage by @morserotonin over at Headphone guru, includes a good overview of Fatfreq's lineup, complete with pics of the whole bunch (including the elusive Grand Maestro):

https://headphone.guru/canjam-socal-2022-coverage-sponsored-by-underwood-hifi-part-5/

Grand.jpg

Grand Maestro

Sakura.jpg

Sakura

(more great pics and coverage in article)
 
Oct 2, 2022 at 8:56 PM Post #40 of 1,960
Is the proprietary bass chamber on the product description a gimmick?

I just tried to EQ my B2 Dusk w/wavelet to make it sound like the Maestro Mini.

This is a silly amount of bass, way too much for regular music listening but fun as all hell.

I'm going to take a gander and assume the limited resolution of the Maestro Mini is mostly because of the giant bass shelf.
 
Oct 3, 2022 at 2:09 AM Post #41 of 1,960
Be careful not to damage your subwoofer with your eq. It was not tuned like this, nor intended to reproduce such sub bass levels, I guess. Not to mention distortion, splitting, etc. I say this, I say nothing. 🤔😉

Normally with eq, you have to subtract, not add. Because of the distortions introduced. 👍
 
Oct 3, 2022 at 3:24 AM Post #42 of 1,960
Be careful not to damage your subwoofer with your eq. It was not tuned like this, nor intended to reproduce such sub bass levels, I guess. Not to mention distortion, splitting, etc. I say this, I say nothing. 🤔😉

Normally with eq, you have to subtract, not add. Because of the distortions introduced. 👍
I did have this on mind, actually. It's not like I was going to use my B2 Dusk has a bass cannon.

A huge bass EQ is probably going to eventually blow any IEM not designed to be a bass cannon.

Wonder how much abuse the MM's DD can take? I'm guessing it can take some beating given it was designed to be a bass monster.
 
Oct 3, 2022 at 3:32 AM Post #43 of 1,960
I did have this on mind, actually. It's not like I was going to use my B2 Dusk has a bass cannon.

A huge bass EQ is probably going to eventually blow any IEM not designed to be a bass cannon.

Wonder how much abuse the MM's DD can take? I'm guessing it can take some beating given it was designed to be a bass monster.
I don't know, but with such extrem eq, it could be dangerous for the bass unit. :L3000:

Do not listen too loudly.
 
Oct 3, 2022 at 5:40 PM Post #44 of 1,960
people in usa who ordered the mini, how long are they taking to reach you?
It was super quick for me at the end of August considering Singapore->USA transit. It sounds like there's been a surge in demand thanks to Canjam, so their mini inventory ran out but should start shipping this week (just relaying what @mashuto noted a few posts back).

They are a very small company and I think interest has really, really amped up quickly... have to be realistic about these things. I just put in an order for a pair of customs with them, naturally that'll take lot longer than the minis!

Is the proprietary bass chamber on the product description a gimmick?

I just tried to EQ my B2 Dusk w/wavelet to make it sound like the Maestro Mini.

This is a silly amount of bass, way too much for regular music listening but fun as all hell.

I'm going to take a gander and assume the limited resolution of the Maestro Mini is mostly because of the giant bass shelf.

The crazy thing is that after a while, the bass level starts to sound normal lol

Seriously though, I'm not sure I'd use the word gimmick but they sure pull off a magic trick of sorts keeping things coherent up top. There's 2 factors used to accomplish this as far as I can glean. First the bass shelf is really tightly contained sub ~250 Hz, and it doesn't get REALLY crazy until sub 50 Hz. A lot of music and content doesn't reach that low, and there really is no mid bass blow out to speak of so you're left with a capable and clean sound. They've also been clever in the highs, there's just a bit of overemphasis to keep things above water in the tsunami when the bass does kick in.

As far as the mini's resolving limits, they are just a bit pushed back in the upper mids and run just a bit hot north of 3K. It gives a bit of a hot crunch and sizzle that is quite satisfying for electronic content, but it does color things slightly. My guess is that there may be some concessions in keeping the tuning balance intact while stretching out the 2 BA's in the mini. The Maestro proper and SE look to have quite good mid tracking with extra driver elements in play, but I've not heard them (yet).

Cloning IEMs via EQ is an interesting exercise. I've splurged on a few new IEMs these past few months, and in each case I'd generate an auto EQ for my ER2s that tracked quite well on paper ahead of time before I heard the new IEM. The success varied a fair bit, but generally the closer the tunings were to start, the more convincing the prediction was... perhaps not surprising, but it's a limitation to bear in mind when adding ~15-20 dB (lol) of Bass boost!

Normally with eq, you have to subtract, not add. Because of the distortions introduced. 👍

Interestingly, this is largely the approach Fatfreq have taken to achieve their bass boost. While the resonant cavity and filter are boosting things a bit, my understanding is they are heavily damping the mids and treble as well. The mini is really nice and easy to drive as a result, not too sensitive like a lot of multi-driver IEMs, no risk of amp hiss and I'm sure you could have fun with some higher power sources for a bit more kick.
 
Oct 3, 2022 at 11:53 PM Post #45 of 1,960
Is the proprietary bass chamber on the product description a gimmick?

I just tried to EQ my B2 Dusk w/wavelet to make it sound like the Maestro Mini.

This is a silly amount of bass, way too much for regular music listening but fun as all hell.

I'm going to take a gander and assume the limited resolution of the Maestro Mini is mostly because of the giant bass shelf.
The actual difference (between an un-eq'd Dusk and an un-eq'd Maestro Mini) is likely bigger than what you heard from eq'ing the Dusk. In my experience, FR alone doesn't fully capture the effect of resonance, e.g. bass impact, treble glare, etc.

I agree that this amount of bass is too much for my music listening. The Maestro Mini V2 is more extreme than V1, which was why I preferred V1 at Canjam. The engineer said they do not intend to replace the V1 with the V2, which is the right thing to do IMO.

I thought the resolution of the Mini was fine, but it was mainly because I didn't know how to judge it. The perception of resolution comes easy when you sacrifice bass and warmth, so IMO it is important to judge resolution against other products that sound similar. And since no other IEM sound like it (besides its older brothers), there really is no competition. The only other IEM that comes close in bass impact are the likes of Xelento, E5000, JH-with-bass-turned-to-max, EE Legend, Erlkonig 1, etc. They are the more common big-bass-and-warm-mids tuning as opposed to the Maestro's big-bass-and-neutral-mids. And compared to them, based on memory, I thought the Mini resolves just fine, even with the thin stock cable they had on. Some of these big-bass-and-warm-mids IEM also over-compensate the bass with excess treble, e.g. early Campfire, which Maestro does not fall for. The Mini has an advantage of being less warm but a disadvantage of being more bassy, which makes the comparison tricky.
 
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