[subguy812]

But how much out of head experience there is with IEMs ? I mean i tested many cheap gizmos and EM10 and all of them had more or less similar soundstage. Some seem a bit larger maybe because of different bass response, but none came close to my intimate sounding over ear headphones where sound simply wraps around you more and you feel like in studio performance, just not same resolution and presence of sound as on EM10

I wasn't trying to debate, I know folks here want an opinion so I have no skin in this game...

 

[gearofwar]

But how much out of head experience there is with IEMs ? I mean i tested many cheap gizmos and EM10 and all of them had more or less similar soundstage. Some seem a bit larger maybe because of different bass response, but none came close to my intimate sounding over ear headphones where sound simply wraps around you more and you feel like in studio performance, just not same resolution and presence of sound as on EM10

what kind of source do you use with it? I own both open back and closed back z1r, yet i stil prefer em10 over it. The stage is wider on headphone however that is not the most important thing

I run balance out of my sony dap which has been modified on software and hardware. The staging on my em10 is significantly wide and holographic. The cable i’m using opened it up even more, not sure what you spent on cables because there are cheaply made and overpriced ones

 

[Onurb8690]

Cable Pw no.10 I already read that it is excellent with Em10. Em10 or Em64? Hehehe
@subguy812 @gearofwar

 

[hakunamakaka]

what kind of source do you use with it? I own both open back and closed back z1r, yet i stil prefer em10 over it. The stage is wider on headphone however that is not the most important thing

I run balance out of my sony dap which has been modified on software and hardware. The staging on my em10 is significantly wide and holographic. The cable i’m using opened it up even more, not sure what you spent on cables because there are cheaply made and overpriced ones

At the beginning I was trying to use it with my phone and felt a bit disappointed, but once I've added portable dac/amp things opened up. For sure my closed backs are no match in SQ against EM10. Music is way more detailed and melodic on EM10, but I still miss that tight bass sometimes that my HP is able to deliver. There is different sound presentation on EM10 too. I don't feel like the singer is in front of me anymore, more like in my head or even behind me.

Mainly em10 is used with Shanling up4 for BT connectivity and Fiio LS cables.

 

[Onurb8690]

At the beginning I was trying to use it with my phone and felt a bit disappointed, but once I've added portable dac/amp things opened up. For sure my closed backs are no match in SQ against EM10. Music is way more detailed and melodic on EM10, but I still miss that tight bass sometimes that my HP is able to deliver. There is different sound presentation on EM10 too. I don't feel like the singer is in front of me anymore, more like in my head or even behind me.

Mainly em10 is used with Shanling up4 for BT connectivity and Fiio LS cables.

Em10 is a top Ciem, you will always need amplification. Looking forward to testing with my Ibasso Dx160

 

[gearofwar]

At the beginning I was trying to use it with my phone and felt a bit disappointed, but once I've added portable dac/amp things opened up. For sure my closed backs are no match in SQ against EM10. Music is way more detailed and melodic on EM10, but I still miss that tight bass sometimes that my HP is able to deliver. There is different sound presentation on EM10 too. I don't feel like the singer is in front of me anymore, more like in my head or even behind me.

Mainly em10 is used with Shanling up4 for BT connectivity and Fiio LS cables.

This makes me wondering if you have inserted the wrong polarity by any chances. This ciem has a reverse polarity, meaning you will have to flip the 2-pins connector around to use it properly compared to regular iems. This annoyed me quite a bit and surprisingly, the imaging is weird when not inserting the right way

 

[Raketen]

^to that point: https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_polaritycheck.php

 

[gearofwar]

^to that point: https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_polaritycheck.php

Tested with my ears, not listen to any given claim

 

[Raketen]

Tested with my ears, not listen to any given claim

That's what the link is for. Testing with ears.

 

[hakunamakaka]

By that article polarity needs to differ between the speaker’s themselves. So logically if you will do the wrong way on both iems, it should be fine. might be that my em10 had already underlying issue as I’ve noticed one side “maybe” playing quieter and after further usage issue become obvious. Let’s see what earsonics will find out

 

[gearofwar]

That's what the link is for. Testing with ears.

it's basically the similar claim from the similar people who claim they can't hear any differences between cables with their own ears. To each with his own

 

[Raketen]

it's basically the similar claim from the similar people who claim they can't hear any differences between cables with their own ears. To each with his own

I think you are misunderstanding- it is for demonstrating your point. it is a test that provides audio samples in order to demonstrate the effects of reversed polarity and describes the effects so that we can also use them to check our own system's wiring.

 

[davidmolliere]

Cable Pw no.10 I already read that it is excellent with Em10. Em10 or Em64? Hehehe
@subguy812 @gearofwar

Yes PW No10 is great with both EM10 and EM64, the choice between the two IEMs depends what you're looking for the EM64 is punchier and energetic, blazing fast (those transients....) and more forward than the EM10 (actually more forward than anything else I know). The EM64 is tuned for the stage you're with the band, the EM10 is a more refined beast that lets you sit back and relax enjoying the nuances while keeping a high level of engagement. The EM10 is groovy but it won't grab you by the b%lls like the EM64 The EM64 will jack you up good

 

[subguy812]

Yes PW No10 is great with both EM10 and EM64, the choice between the two IEMs depends what you're looking for the EM64 is punchier and energetic, blazing fast (those transients....) and more forward than the EM10 (actually more forward than anything else I know). The EM64 is tuned for the stage you're with the band, the EM10 is a more refined beast that lets you sit back and relax enjoying the nuances while keeping a high level of engagement. The EM10 is groovy but it won't grab you by the b%lls like the EM64 The EM64 will jack you up good

Thanks David, I do not know what else I could say here. They are mature and refined as my Review stated and designed for long listens.

 

[gearofwar]

Yes PW No10 is great with both EM10 and EM64, the choice between the two IEMs depends what you're looking for the EM64 is punchier and energetic, blazing fast (those transients....) and more forward than the EM10 (actually more forward than anything else I know). The EM64 is tuned for the stage you're with the band, the EM10 is a more refined beast that lets you sit back and relax enjoying the nuances while keeping a high level of engagement. The EM10 is groovy but it won't grab you by the b%lls like the EM64 The EM64 will jack you up good

I tried pw10 at canjam however, 1960 4 wires blew it out of the ocean.