[immtbiker]

I am listening to Jaco Pasorius Big Band (on multichannel SACD), and Metallica's Black album (on multichannel DVD-Audio), while reading this thread, as people duke-it-out, as to which format sounds better...and I am enjoying the "hell" out of both technologies and giggling. Both of them are re-issues of previously released, early '90s unbearable redbook CD's.

The point is that we enjoy the quality and capability of the sound, and not the scientific equations.

 

[kartik]

I am yet to find one title that is available in both formats to be able to actually A/B the two formats against each other rather than indirect comparison of their "relative" step up from redbook.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

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hmmm..I see the beginning of a slanging match. Have you read the specs, the specs for SACD and DSD are different I will reiteriate DSD IS NOT A SINGLE BIT FORMAT. You are confusing DSD with SACD the final consumer format. Not an inconsiderable number of music publishing companies in asia are choosing to publish CDs that are DSD sourced instead of PCM sourced. At any rate SACD does have better impulse response that LPCM which ever way you cut it, I have not read a single paper from any source that disputes this, care to show one. [/B]

Where and how is the impulse response superior. The pre- and post-ringing of the DVD-A impulse response are at the transition band frequency of 48kHz (for 96kHz sample rate) and 96kHz (for 192kHz sample rate). If you can't perceive 48kHz there's no way that can make any difference to you. SACD can't even reproduce sound up to 48kHz, let alone worry about what artifact it may produce at 48kHz. The reason it sounds similar to vinyl, I suspect, is because of all the high-frequency noise it puts out. You can even use a gentle filter curve to eliminate the pre- and post-ringing from DVD-A output and it'd still produce clean output up to, say 40kHz. Put in a high-frequency noise generator for above 40kHz and you've got your vinyl sound

And there's a reason DSD isn't making its way into studios. There's hardly any way to manipulate DSD recorded sound. You can't even apply EQ--you'd have to translate it to PCM, apply your filter to that and translate that back to DSD!

Oh and 'all those Asian companies recording in DSD'? I don't know why they put the 'DSD' label on all these redbook CDs! And from the few 'DSD CD's I heard I avoid DSD like the plague!

 

[theaudiohobby]

Joe Bloggs,


Why are most of the Japanese manufacturers now producing Universal players? Some chinese and japanese manufacturers are even more courageous producing CD/SACD only players in a world overrun by DVDV. This slanging match would go on and on and we will not get any conclusion. I think you should read this DCS paper. and get to some industry journals and read. Personally I think that DSD is here to stay and will grow in popularity over the next few years. Apart from the Meridian 800 I am yet of hear of a hands down runaway success DVDA player.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

This has already been explained by other people--it's a marketing problem.

 

[zeplin]

just a quick question for you hi-res format experts...
i have a budget Sony cd/dvd player that plays DTS cd's. i have the Diana Krall DTS cd and i love it. now, because my player can support DTS cd's, does that mean my player can also play DVD audio cd's? i hope so because i would like to buy at least a few...they sound great! thanx in advance for the help

 

[immtbiker]

zeplin

No. The DTS format uses the digital out cable on your source, like it does for Dolby Digital 5.1. You need a player with discrete analog output to run DVD-audio, and a DVD-A capable receiver. However, most DVD-Audio discs come with an optional layer which plays a DD 5.1 version, and while it is nowhere as good as DVD-A, it is surround sound capable. DTS will sound better than the DD track though.

 

[theaudiohobby]

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This has already been explained by other people--it's a marketing problem.
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Dream on, why do the companies publishing DSD CDs not record them in high-rez LPCM afterall they should know the superiority of LPCM

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Hello? Anybody home? *knocks audiohobby's head*

Most of the studios ARE using PCM, even the ones releasing SACDs!

 

[theaudiohobby]

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Most of the studios ARE using PCM, even the ones releasing SACDs!

Now that's new

they also use analog tape recorders

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Now what's the point of this last post

 

[Jasper994]

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Originally posted by immtbiker zeplin No. The DTS format uses the digital out cable on your source, like it does for Dolby Digital 5.1. You need a player with discrete analog output to run DVD-audio, and a DVD-A capable receiver. However, most DVD-Audio discs come with an optional layer which plays a DD 5.1 version, and while it is nowhere as good as DVD-A, it is surround sound capable. DTS will sound better than the DD track though.

Actually the receiver doesn't "have to be" DVD-A capable (if you only want to be able to listen in stereo, any receiver will work. For multichannel it would have to support DVD-A). The player, however, must support DVD-A (in other words, it must decode MLP(Meridian Lossless Packaging). Just having a 24bit 96/192 khz DAC won't suffice). In order to use the DVD-A functions of said player, you'll have to used its stereo analog outputs or it's multichannel analog outputs.

Also, some DVD-A discs come with a DTS track as well as the DD track. Others (such as Queen's "Night at the Opera") only have Advanced Resolution and DTS, no DD.

Something to be aware of: On a DTS music disc, there is no compression, they are recorded at 44.1khz with either 16bit or 20bit. The novelty over CD is that you get surround sound, and some are recorded in 20bit. On DVD-A's with a DTS track, sampling is at 48khz/16bits compressed (lossy) to 1536kbps for 5.1 channels.

 

[kartik]

Just FYI, the Sharp sacd player is here. I'm at work just now and can't listen to it but I am going to go home and try it out later today.
YAHOOOOOOO!

 

[Calanctus]

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Originally posted by Joe Bloggs And from the few 'DSD CD's I heard I avoid DSD like the plague!

I've heard a few DSD SACDs, and they sound superb.

Lots of people in the hi rez forum at AA agree.

Maybe your system was to blame.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

I'm not talking about SACDs (hey I don't even have an SACD player

) I am talking about plain CDs that have the DSD label on them. What?

(I mean the CDs not you

)