DROP + GRELL OAE1

Jul 31, 2024 at 4:38 PM Post #2,476 of 3,842
I'll write some impressions later just wanted to post a quick note that to me it's working, it's working to the point I might end up selling my HD800.
I'm still on the evaluation time and want to wait to avoid new toy syndrome, but till now everything is working excellent.
I think it’s fair to be cautious about the honeymoon, but I applaud you for keeping an open mind. The OAE1 wasn’t what I was expecting prior to hearing it either, but even after 15 years I can’t always account for how a headphone will sound purely on a FR graph. Take your time, but I’m curious 👀
 
Jul 31, 2024 at 5:44 PM Post #2,477 of 3,842
The OAE1 wasn’t what I was expecting prior to hearing
I believe quite a few of us may have been of a similar mind set. But now and I can't speak for anyone else but what I really like about the OAE2 is that putting them on I feel I've just stepped into a cozy auditorium, most likely the result of the forward facing drivers which do not radiate directly into the ears. With naturally miked recordings imaging is nicely laid out left to right, with a very good sense of depth and 3 dimensional layering that I love, could almost call it soundstage :thinking:hhhmmm?, the base comes in really nicely, filling out the bottom end with an authoritative foundation that supports the illusion, tonally nothing to complain about.
And unlike many headphones the sound field can be either convex or very nicely V shaped depending on the recording bringing the singer up front or way at the back but either way never fully in the head, contrary to the classic HD600 which more or less is left ear, right ear and centre, the proverbial 3 blob, which for my preferences way too intimate and is rather bothersome.
I think it’s fair to be cautious about the honeymoon
The "honeymoon" syndrome is real but I like to extend mine for as long as possible.
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Jul 31, 2024 at 6:26 PM Post #2,478 of 3,842
The placement of the driver in front of the headphones is nothing that is meant to create "in-front-of-head-localisation". We do it to use the geometry of the individiual pinna to shape the frequency response at the ear-drum in a way that it would have been shaped when the sound comes from an angle of incidence of 60° or (300°) to the rear front middle axis of the head. The first wave front from perfectly reproduced stereo signals with loudspeakers appears from this angle. The direction of the first wavefront defines where we localize sound sources (Haas Effect) (this works with just one ear as well - the other one blocked, by the way.
Indeed, this is how OAE-1's driver orientation utilizes the input directivity of the outer ear to transform the incoming sound. What I aimed to point out in my article is that, while the frontal frequency response cue might be mimicked, the rest of the cues necessary for localization are not simulated (because passive headphones cannot do this) and thus the brain is likely to get confused—as it does with most headphones—and just perceive the frequency response as tonal color, and not as something related to localization.

In my reading of this quoted section above, he describes how the driver orientation shapes the FR, and then points to how a sound source's angle of incidence affects localization. If he meant for these two sentences to be digested completely independently, unfortunately I think people may misinterpret him; they may end up thinking that the latter is describing the effect of the former. It is important to state clearly that the frequency response effect of the headphone's driver orientation will not engender any such localization of the sound source in headphones, and he does in the beginning... but the website says something else.

The marketing copy on the website—which is what most consumers will see—could also be interpreted to be claiming that the frontal orientation of the driver will engender a sense of realistic externalization. Bolded/italicized for clarity below.
Meet the Drop + grell OAE1 Signature: a groundbreaking pair of headphones with game-changing driver geometry and an ultra-expansive soundstage. Working in harmony with the body’s innate process for perceiving stereo sound—where we face audio sources so that they’re directly in front of us—the OAE1 Signature positions its drivers further out and in front of the ears to create a soundfield that’s stunningly natural.
The above bolded/italicized claim likely holds weight to people who are interested in purchasing, thus it is worth understanding why this is unlikely (though not impossible) to create the effect that one might assume from the language used.
The second more important reason is the right individual "tonality" in the frequency range above 1.5 kHz as our Ear related transfer functions (ERTFs) are very different in that range. A headphone sounds completely different to a listener with a different ear geometry than the headphone designer when the driver placement is done in the traditional 90° (270°) position. One article that is very interesting in this context is: "Møller, H., Jensen, C. B., Hammershøi, D., & Sørensen, M. F. (1995). Design criteria for headphones. Journal of the Audio Engineering Society, 43(4), 218-232." http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=10274
Great paper! Indeed, it's incredibly important to acknowledge how important the differences between people and rigs are; each having individual anatomy means that possibly huge deviations between listeners and rigs are almost certain to occur.
 
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Jul 31, 2024 at 6:45 PM Post #2,479 of 3,842
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Jul 31, 2024 at 9:56 PM Post #2,480 of 3,842
All four appear to have drank the same Kook aid....I mean it's fun to discuss hypothesis with buddies, who have a tendency to agree with one another and pat each other on the back, but seriously maybe best to leave such discussions off record and behind closed doors. :see_no_evil::hear_no_evil::speak_no_evil:

Sorry, just to quote Neil deGrasse Tyson once more.
"One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right, but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong."

M'guy, you are being extended a lot of charity from people with different opinions from you -- people who have a lot of experience in both the listening and technical aspects of headphones -- and you are returning none of it.

It is good that you have a different opinion and are happy to share it. There are a lot of reasons people will come to different conclusions. You don't need this obnoxious, defensive condescension. No one is coming at you. (Except me right now.)
 
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Jul 31, 2024 at 10:32 PM Post #2,481 of 3,842
M'guy, you are being extended a lot of charity from people with different opinions from you -- people who have a lot of experience in both the listening and technical aspects of headphones -- and you are returning none of it.

It is good that you have a different opinion and are happy to share it. There are a lot of reasons people will come to different conclusions. You don't need this obnoxious, defensive condescension. No one is coming at you. (Except me right now.)

It's honestly the reason I don't pay that much attention to these threads, once they turn into an "I know best" party. Folks can have different experiences with different things. We're allowed to say a thing isn't great, and provide the justifications for it, just as much as someone else is allowed to say they like it in spite of that.
 
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Jul 31, 2024 at 10:38 PM Post #2,482 of 3,842
Sounds better without the dampening inside the cups. More crisp sounding without all that material covering the driver. If some soundstage is gone I can live with it for more lively tuning. If EDM is your favorite then you may enjoy these. Old recordings may suffer for you. One strange thing was not enjoying the Composers directly after having the oae1.
OAE-1 does very good with my drop THX 789 amp on balance. It also did the same to my Empyrean 2. Kick drum really hits on oae1.
 
Jul 31, 2024 at 10:47 PM Post #2,483 of 3,842
M'guy, you are being extended a lot of charity from people with different opinions from you -- people who have a lot of experience in both the listening and technical aspects of headphones -- and you are returning none of it.

It is good that you have a different opinion and are happy to share it. There are a lot of reasons people will come to different conclusions. You don't need this obnoxious, defensive condescension. No one is coming at you. (Except me right now.)
He's unironically quoting Neil DeGrasse Tyson in a misguided effort to sound smart. That alone tells us everything we need to know.
 
Jul 31, 2024 at 10:50 PM Post #2,484 of 3,842
I think the problem has gotten worse. They started with the inflexible headband and cup design, which leads to an awkward fit, which leads to a bad sound, and then people return them and hate them. i had to work really hard to get the fit right, and had to mod the headband by removing the padding underneath. i think the people who give up on the Oae1 and return them, if they were worn in the perfect fit they wouldn't return them, Mr. Grell, please do something!

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Jul 31, 2024 at 11:35 PM Post #2,485 of 3,842
It is good that you have a different opinion and are happy to share it. There are a lot of reasons people will come to different conclusions. You don't need this obnoxious, defensive condescension. No one is coming at you. (Except me right now.)
Yes, but I’m not a public exposed reviewer, Youtuber or otherwise preaching to hundreds and possibly thousands of viewers and therefor they know they are obviously open to public accountability and criticism by individuals who will disagree with their views if found misleading or not correct for what ever reason.

Me, I’m just a long time audio enthusiast who has garnered different views and opinions, if you find my rebuttals offensive, not my intention.. and there is the ignore button. :)
 
Jul 31, 2024 at 11:45 PM Post #2,486 of 3,842
So what you're saying is that prominent reviewers shouldn't do negative reviews?
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 12:08 AM Post #2,487 of 3,842
So what you're saying is that prominent reviewers shouldn't do negative reviews?
More like, don't trust reviewers on everything you see or hear. In fact a majority of reviewers can be safely assumed to not do negative reviews since their access to gadgetry and sponsorships can be blocked and this applies to not just audio but other gadgetry too.

I don't follow anyone on YouTube except Crin and that's more to keep in touch with the IEM world.

Heck I have enough Campfire Audio Iems and headphones for Crin to ban me from his studio for life 😛😛 /s
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 12:15 AM Post #2,488 of 3,842
More like, don't trust reviewers on everything you see or hear. In fact a majority of reviewers can be safely assumed to not do negative reviews since their access to gadgetry and sponsorships can be blocked and this applies to not just audio but other gadgetry too.
I largely agree but in this case I don’t have to trust them, as I’ve also heard the Grellphone.

The cope in this thread is absolutely out of control.
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 12:34 AM Post #2,490 of 3,842
He has a ferrari, a lamborghini, a zr06, and some other sports cars, one fine day he wanted to have a car that was better than the ones he owned, and then he chose to buy a g63, he cursed the seller that the g63 was not like a lamborghini :)))))))
I’m not comparing Grellphone to Immanis or anything. I’ve experienced plenty of headphones in every price category.

If you want to talk about how it compares to its peers, HarmonicDyne Eris for example is better in every way.
 

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