Dont Taze Me Bro! Quote of the year!
Sep 28, 2007 at 2:14 AM Post #136 of 152
It is too bad that the first person to ask a big name politician real hard hitting questions is a prima donna. Our media should have been asking these questions years ago. Perhaps in that Meyers is a journalism major, there is still hope for us all. A bit of pretentiousness is a whole lot better than being sheeples. And, quite frankly, if I was in the same situation where a mob of police surrounds me and get up in my face, I just might push the closest one away out of reflex. And, I am sure the police knows this is the most common response.


Bro Rape
 
Sep 28, 2007 at 4:23 AM Post #137 of 152
What is truly interesting about this experience is not what the law enforcement enacted, but the reactions of every American, who suddenly feel they are given the power to judge another person's experience, as soon as the incident transpired, without any particular interest beforehand. I honestly ask to those who use the modifiers "not" or "shouldn't" to describe the officers actions, why have these actions not been prevented if police brutality has been exposed to the media since Rodney King? Is it because you roar your voices in hopes of winning the victim a temporary solution, without trying to personally change these social issues? I urge those who are truly outraged by this incident to follow their convictions. Words are powerless from cowards and complacent individuals.
 
Sep 28, 2007 at 9:05 PM Post #138 of 152
So here's a report of a school guard arresting a student for dropping a cake. Hypothetical: Should she have been Tasered if she flailed about as he was breaking her arm?
 
Sep 29, 2007 at 8:06 AM Post #139 of 152
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Originally Posted by EyeAmEye /img/forum/go_quote.gif
There are many people out there with very legitimate complaints about the police, and it's a shame they get buried usually behind those that cause their own situations, such as this moron.

It's a fairly cut and dry situation. If you are asked to leave and don't comply, then resist arrest, that's what a taser is for. He didn't get shot or clubbed to death.

You certainly cannot give cops unlimited power to abuse, but you can't tie their hands either. The public needs to understand compliance with authorities, not see police as the joke this jackass is trying to make them out to be. You see this type of crap all the time, and I imagine as an officer it makes the job that much more difficult, and it's completely unnecessary.

Scrutinize and penalize the officers that go over the line, commend those that don't. There was no abuse of power here.

I'm sure in the not too distant future the bloodhounds will have some other video to fawn over.


tyrants, bullies, racists, evildoers, these people come in many different forms. To protect yourself you need to judge a person not based on their appearance or occupation but on their character and their actions. What irks me is that this "police authority" allows these bad types to hide behind the badge and take away all your rights as a citizen. IMO police are given too much authority. Lets look at the logic here..

A police officer can "arrest" you for practically anything. Rest assured they have a long list of generic reasons ready to use. Disturbing the peace, suspicion, etc. Unless you immediately comply you'll fall into the catagory of resisting arrest and they have permission to use force. This is carefully setup so the police can take complete control over any person for any reason and detain them, while still having the outward appearance of preserving human rights and freedoms.
 
Oct 24, 2007 at 7:21 PM Post #141 of 152
I think they should have...


I watched 7 or 8 different views of the incident. He was fighting/resisting all the way up to the tasing. They had his right hand cuffed but he wouldn't give up his left.

It's this simple...

My cousin's husband was a police officer. The best thing you can do is do exactly what they want. There's a good chance they will either let you go or treat you right. Give them flack then you're asking for trouble.

I don't feel sorry for him one bit. I'd tase him myself if I could.

For that matter you shouldn't muck around when you're in proximity to a government official/senator/former presidential candidate. On the security side you don't know if he's a whackjob or what.


Read the pdf. What a moron. I still say they were justified.
 
Oct 24, 2007 at 8:32 PM Post #142 of 152
No need for it imo. He was on the ground and subdued; the female officer just stuck the taser in his back and shocked him. He had four male officers on top of him.

Kerry is a wuss, but he did start to answer the question before the police got involved.

@archosman, if an officer asked you to stop something that was well within your right to do or do something illegal...how would that be handled if you are supposed to do excatly what the say.

How were the police protecting and serving when they tased a student that was restrained on the ground and posed no threat.

Did the officers pat him down when he was on the ground and subdued...no.
 
Oct 24, 2007 at 8:40 PM Post #143 of 152
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Originally Posted by wanderman /img/forum/go_quote.gif
No need for it imo. He was on the ground and subdued; the female officer just stuck the taser in his back and shocked him. He had four male officers on top of him.

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Sorry to say but you're incorrect. Do some searching for video clips on the incident. Might try Liveleak.com as well as youtube.

He would not give them his left hand and kept pulling way when they tased him.

Video doesn't lie...
 
Oct 24, 2007 at 9:21 PM Post #144 of 152
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Originally Posted by wanderman /img/forum/go_quote.gif
if an officer asked you to stop something that was well within your right to do or do something illegal...how would that be handled if you are supposed to do excatly what the say.


The smart thing to do:

Peaceably refuse his demand. Once he goes to arrest you, quietly comply. Personally, I'd kneel and put my hands on my head. Makes things go a bit easier. I'd also inform him about any firearms, knives, etc I have stashed about my body too.

Sure he's violating your rights. But at that moment, he's in the position of power and nothing you do to resist will improve the situation. Most forms of resistance will just make things go worse.

After booking, I'd call a lawyer, file a complaint a complaint with the police department, and look into the possibility of a lawsuit.
 
Oct 24, 2007 at 10:04 PM Post #145 of 152
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Originally Posted by marvin /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The smart thing to do:

Peaceably refuse his demand. Once he goes to arrest you, quietly comply. Personally, I'd kneel and put my hands on my head. Makes things go a bit easier. I'd also inform him about any firearms, knives, etc I have stashed about my body too.

Sure he's violating your rights. But at that moment, he's in the position of power and nothing you do to resist will improve the situation. Most forms of resistance will just make things go worse.

After booking, I'd call a lawyer, file a complaint a complaint with the police department, and look into the possibility of a lawsuit.



I agree. Besides... your chance of getting tased or hit drops to virtually zero. I went back and watched 4 or 5 angles of this again. If you watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Qef8oPmag

at around 3:00 to 3:15 watch his left hand. They keep trying to cuff him and he keeps resisting. He would not comply.

And to be honest he acted like an ass. Who in their right mind would put up that amount of fuss. Especially over just wanting a question answered. Hell... even his question was so all over the map.

It's bad it happened, it wasn't pretty, and I'm sorry it happened. I'm sure the school wasn't happy either. Might be hard to get a speaker next time if that school has nuts like him running around.

I've taught a few people how to shoot with an emphasis on self defense tactics and discussing deadly force. I always let them know "If you have to shoot... don't hesitate. You hesitate you're dead. Also remember "they" made the choice for you to shoot... not you."

He cut in front of a long line of people to run to the mike. They were calm and let him have his 5 minutes, but when his time was up, he refused to go. When he started struggling and fighting against the officers escorting him out then they tased him. Meyer sowed what he reaped...
 
Oct 24, 2007 at 11:36 PM Post #146 of 152
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Originally Posted by archosman /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Sorry to say but you're incorrect. Do some searching for video clips on the incident. Might try Liveleak.com as well as youtube.

He would not give them his left hand and kept pulling way when they tased him.

Video doesn't lie...


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please show me how I am incorrect.

edit: I see a kid covered in officers tasered in the back. No one makes the decision for you to take an action. YOU take the action when you pull the trigger.
 
Oct 25, 2007 at 12:00 AM Post #148 of 152
Oct 25, 2007 at 12:09 AM Post #149 of 152
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Originally Posted by Febs /img/forum/go_quote.gif
wanderman, you still haven't read the linked report, have you?


I skimmed that but meh he still didn't need to get taserd. The police were kinda playing into his whole scheme. When you have that much man power....Sit on him and let him tire...
 
Oct 25, 2007 at 12:17 AM Post #150 of 152
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Originally Posted by wanderman /img/forum/go_quote.gif
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please show me how I am incorrect.

edit: I see a kid covered in officers tasered in the back. No one makes the decision for you to take an action. YOU take the action when you pull the trigger.


Where you are incorrect is in your assumption that because he is surrounded by police officers and on the groung he is subdued. That wasn't the case. He was still actively resisting arrest.

If someone thinks they are being wrongfully arrested the time to fight it isn't when the police are trying to handcuff you, the time to fight it is later in court. If the police decide to arrest you they are going to arrest you. Period. They aren't going to change their mind because you resist. That will only make them more determined.
 
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