Does this suprise you?
Jan 16, 2003 at 11:33 PM Post #2 of 10
not after I read this:
Quote:

Since kim jong il succeeded his father as leader of North Korea six years ago, he has been lampooned by the rest of the world as a pudgy playboy with a depraved lifestyle who drank cognac while his countrymen barely subsisted on grass and tree bark. He favored James Bond and Daffy Duck in his collection of some 20,000 videotapes. He was a lush who once showed up at a meeting so drunk that his own father had him thrown out. Nobody had ever heard him utter anything more than "Glory to the Heroic Korean People's Army!" and it was surmised that he had a speech impediment. He had a Howard Hughes-like obsession about germs and was paranoid to the point of having potential political rivals purged. He was even accused of masterminding plots to assassinate a South Korean president and to down an airliner. Oh, and he wore shoe lifts.


Full Article on TIME
 
Jan 17, 2003 at 2:24 AM Post #3 of 10
Matthew-Spaltro, actually no it does not. But it does sadden me. Still, thanks for posting this--it's a very interesting story. I wonder if there is any non-violent way for North Korea to be changed.
 
Jan 17, 2003 at 2:48 AM Post #4 of 10
_“IT’S ONE of the worst, if not the worst situation — human rights abuse situation — in the world today,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., who held hearings on the camps last year. “There are very few places that could compete with the level of depravity, the harshness of this regime in North Korea toward its own people.”

No not really..

Does this surprise you:



Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890,
American
forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed the
United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other
countries'
territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the
United
States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23
countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53,
Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo
1964,
Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala
1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s,
Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan
1998,
and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20
different
coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a
dozen
assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of
the
United States over the
span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to
protect business interests.

Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with
nationalist rebels.

Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by
Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.


Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the
independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United
States.

Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city
on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.

China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed
during the Sino-Japanese War.

Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.


Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the
port city of Corinto.

China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the
Boxer Rebellion.

Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed
after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American
War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.

Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the
Spanish-American War; the United States still
maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.

Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto
Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy
Puerto Rico today.

Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San
Juan del Sur.

Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the
battle for succession to the throne.

Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when
Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American
troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when
construction for the canal began.

Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a
revolution.

Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect
American interests during a revolution.

Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the
Russo-Japanese War.

Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.

Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate
was set up.

Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war
with Nicaragua.

Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's
election.

Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in
Bluefields and Corinto.

Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American
interests during Honduras' civil war.

China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during
continuous flare-ups.

Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American
interests in Havana.

Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's
election.

Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American
interests.

Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and
fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.

Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during
revolution.

Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over
Santo Domingo.

Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to
intervene against nationalists.

Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a
revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.

Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican
Republic for eight years.

Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for
16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.

World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe
to fight the Axis powers.

Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern
Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five
landings.

Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras'
national elections.

Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two
weeks during a union strike.

Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.

China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during
a nationalist revolt.

Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a
national election.

Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general
strike.

China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for
seven years throughout China.

El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during
the FMLN revolt under Marti.

World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis
powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.

Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of
Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American
plane.

Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of
military force.

Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a
victory for the far right in national "elections."

Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the
Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.

Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war
against the Filipino Huk revolt.

Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an
independence rebellion in Ponce.

Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the
war.

Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of
democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah
to power.

Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to
the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the
Viet Minh.

Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the
democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas
in power.

Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners
after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.

Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of
Lebanon during its civil war.

Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians
demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.

Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.

Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions
failed to overthrow the Castro government.

Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the
Cuban Missile Crisis.

Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil
war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.

Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot
while protesting the United States presence in the
Canal Zone.

Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military
coup.

Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a
national election.

Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.

Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the
Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.

Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible
invasion into Iran.

Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside
during Laos' civil war.

Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing
President Allende who had been popularly elected. The
CIA helped to establish a military regime under
General Pinochet.

Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an
effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had
been seized.

Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels
fighting against Marxist Angola.

Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to
liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy.

Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan
fighters.

El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers
aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.

Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the
Contra War against the Sandinistas.

Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during
Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American
barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the
Mediterranean.

Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases
near the Honduran border.

Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the
Maurice Bishop government.

Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian
planes over the Persian Gulf.

Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and
around the capital city of Tripoli.

Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops
on raids of cocaine areas.

Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the
side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.

Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest
among Virgin Island peoples.

Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for
government during coup.

Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in
overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama
civilians were killed.

Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate
foreigners during civil war.

Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi
Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against
Iraq.

Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back
Saddam Hussein.

Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during
civil war.

Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone"
during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a
blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA
restored Aristide to power.

Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus'
refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution
began.

Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of
foreigners.

Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a
pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas
components were manufactured.

Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged
Afghan terrorist training camps.

Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks
carried out by the United States in conjunction with
NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.

Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and
other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets
enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi
targets since December 1998.

These **100** instances of American military
intervention did not include times when the United
States:

(1) deployed military police overseas;

(2) mobilized the National Guard;

(3) sent Navy ships off the coast of numerous
countries as a show of strength;

(4) sent additional troops to areas where Americans
were already stationed;

(5) carried out covert actions where American forces
were not under the direct rule of an American command;


(6) used small hostage rescue units;

(7) used American pilots to fly foreign planes;

(8) carried out military training and advisory
programs which did not involve direct combat.


U. S. Government Assassination Plots
====================================

Following is a list of prominent foreign leaders whose assassination
(or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since
the end of Second World War. The list does not include several
assassinations in various parts of the world carried out by anti-Castro
Cubans employed by CIA and headquartered in the United States:

LIST A: NON MUSLIMS

1949 - KIm Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950's - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in
West Germany
1955 - Jose' Antonio Remon, President of Panama
1950's Chou En-lai, Prime Minister of China, several attempts
on his life
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premiere of North Korea
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawar Lal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1959 and 1963 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1950s-70s - Jose Figueres, President of Costa Rica,
two attempts on his life
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba , Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, more than
15 attempts on his life
1960s - Raul Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamanao, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965 - Pierre Ngendandumwe, Prime Minister of Burundi
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvadore Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s and 1981 - Gen. Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine commandantes of the Sandanista
National Directorate
1980's - Dr. Gerald Bull, Canadian Ballistics Scientist
assassinated by Mossad in Belgium.

Partial List of Muslim Leaders Assassinated or
Attempted Assassinations
1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1960 Brigadier General, Abdul Karim Kassem, Leader of Iraq
1980-86 Muammar Qaddafi, Leader of Libya, several plots and
attempts upon his life
1982 Ayatullah Khomeini, Leader of Iran
1983 General Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan army Commander
1985 Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadllallah, Lebanese Shiite Leader
(80 people killed in that attempt)
1991 Saddam Hussein, Leader of Iraq
Reference: Blum, William, "KILLING HOPE - U.S. Military and
CIA Interventions Since World War II," Appendix III
U.S. Government Assassination Plots, page 453,
Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine 1995. ISBN 1-56751-052-3

Very likely Victims :
April 4, 1979 - Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Leader of Pakistan, for pursuing
making
of
Nuclear Bomb.
August, 1988. General Ziaul Haq, Military Leader of Pakistan.
1995 - Murtaza Bhutto, Son of ZUlfiqar Ali Bhutto, Anti-American
would-be Leader - Pakistan.
March 25, 1975 - King Faisal of Saudi Arabia through his Nephew, Saudi
Arabia
for imposing 1973 Oil Embargo.
August 24, 1999. Mullah Mohammad Omar, in Kandhar, Afghanistan.
|
"À"List of Known Assassination Plots
1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President
2001 Since early this year more than 40 Palestinian leaders
assassinated
through surrogate Israel.

http://www.oz.net/~cyu/internment/camps.html

http://www.oz.net/~cyu/internment/main.html A website about the internment of japanese americans.



40 million americans are poor enough to need foodstamps..
 
Jan 17, 2003 at 3:22 AM Post #7 of 10
I don't see your point "encore-encore". North-Korea is known to be a Stalin-style country, the most retarted in the world, its population seeking refuge even in China ! I thought that most of the time, people'd like to come in the US.

More : out of the intervention here above, some are completly moral, as clean as the newborn :

Korea 1950-53 : I think most south-korean are quite happy of this one

Lebanon 1984 : In support of a UN intervention, to help civilian and the Lebanese gvt against the Syria's trend to consider Lebanon as a colony

Yugoslavia 1999 : ask the Kosovars and the democratic opposition how they feel about it ?

Sudan 1998 : if we had some balls, the western countries should have done far more to make the war against southern christians and animists stop. Do you know there is a well-spread slavery in northern sudan ?


Three examples of "assassinations" :

1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti : ask some Haitian how humanist this guy was. Do you know what "macoute" stands for ?

1961 - Patrice Lumumba , Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire) : hey, we probably, us Belgians, did it with our friend Tschombe. Not a big loss btw.

1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France : the most funny thing I've ever read on a board.

Now "assez-assez"
 
Jan 17, 2003 at 4:04 AM Post #9 of 10
Quote:

Originally posted by encore-encore
40 million americans are poor enough to need foodstamps..


And a good percentage of North Koreans couldn't afford the paper said food stamps recieved by an american are printed upon.

You get a population hungry and desperate enough and anything will seem like a good alternative to what they have.

The fact is a country that maintains a million man army (with 3 million in reserve) should not have people starving and working in abismal conditions.

Don't sit there with such ammenities as food, electricity, running water, ect, and talk about how bad the USA is. We may not smell like roses but we certainly are better than most places. Hell, if this were like NK, you'd long ago been sent into the coal mines to work till you die. At least the CIA has the dignity to be covert about their little escapades, Il makes no effort to hide that he is killing any whisper of opposition.

I'm fed up. If you are so distraught at our country's actions, do something about it. If you put half the amount of time you spend bitching here into trying to change you could get something done. Organize a protest, write a web page, but for the sake of our sanity, do it somewhere else! If you really hate the USA, why the hell are you still here? Either put you money where your mouth is or shut the hell up.

Sorry, I really am I really needed to say that, mods can delete this is they feel like it, but that felt good to finaly type.
 
Jan 17, 2003 at 4:05 AM Post #10 of 10
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I thought that most of the time, people'd like to come in the US


Actually, no
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Nobody that I know in either New Zealand or Australia would even consider going to America to live. It starts from your leader down, but there are a LOT of reasons that make us very glad to be where we are.

Having said that, I have plans to work in Canada for a few years at some stage
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