[Makiah S]

Actually I do have one Band I like in lossy and out of cheap headphones
 
RHCP, I grew up with like v4 mp3's and cheap sony cans. I find them rather boring in lossless and out of my high end gear... but out of some Sony MDR Zx300s they are pretty bangin! xD still I don't listen to them much as I have found FAR better bands... BUT when I get that urge I have the lossy's around some where 
 
and I've abx'd v0 and lossless a dozen times easy to tell apart. It's all in the highs, don't need a killer sample just need a drum kit a foot from you lol, give that snare a whack... remember the sense of air and energy it has, and u'll notice lossess is a little more real... 

 

[UltMusicSnob]

Pl
Plenty!

Beware...hydrogen is no place for the underprepared. They are a crusty bunch but the knowledge level is very, very high. I love it for late night reading

Check it out: I ABX-test lossy vs. lossless using state-of-the-art MP3 algorithms in Hydrogen Audio.
 
They are marvelously scientific in Hydrogen Audio. A pleasure to interact with, many many good tips, citations, information.

 

[RonaldDumsfeld]

It's well worth checking out what UltMusicSnob has been up to recently.
 
Turns out he has such a good ear that so far only 2 people have been able to replicate his results!  Not only that he can do it on  $10 earbuds via a laptop on-board sound card..
 
Good story. Wish you joy of it UMS. Well played.

 

[nick_charles]

  It's well worth checking out what UltMusicSnob has been up to recently.
 
Turns out he has such a good ear that so far only 2 people have been able to replicate his results!  Not only that he can do it on  $10 earbuds via a laptop on-board sound card..
 
Good story. Wish you joy of it UMS. Well played.

 
Isn't there a jitter audibility test going around , we need him(?) to get onto that one !

 

[UltMusicSnob]

  It's well worth checking out what UltMusicSnob has been up to recently.
 
Turns out he has such a good ear that so far only 2 people have been able to replicate his results!  Not only that he can do it on  $10 earbuds via a laptop on-board sound card..
 
Good story. Wish you joy of it UMS. Well played.

Thank you, much appreciated. Hydrogen Audio has an entire "Listening Tests" area of the forum, a virtual playground for my interests, frankly. And of course very happy to find another replication there.
 
Re Nick Charles: umm, what would jitter even sound like? I get the basic notion, but don't really have any sense of what *sort* of distortion that would cause, even if it was obviously a problem and easily measured.

 

[UltMusicSnob]

On the OP, there is an MP3 encoder I would recommend, because of the effect it has on Redbook audio. The LAME 3100l  (that's a lower-case letter "L" at the end) is available here. It is a command-line program, but the commands are very short and easy to understand.
 
To my ears, this algorithm is very well balanced across the frequency spectrum at high quality settings (use the -V1 or -V0 command, 0 is the highest). While the sound does change ever so slightly, the change imparted is very musical, and in many contexts might be considered an improvement, depending on your tastes.

 

[Makiah S]

  On the OP, there is an MP3 encoder I would recommend, because of the effect it has on Redbook audio. The LAME 3100l  (that's a lower-case letter "L" at the end) is available here. It is a command-line program, but the commands are very short and easy to understand.
 
To my ears, this algorithm is very well balanced across the frequency spectrum at high quality settings (use the -V1 or -V0 command, 0 is the highest). While the sound does change ever so slightly, the change imparted is very musical, and in many contexts might be considered an improvement, depending on your tastes.

 
Or you can try Vorbis 

 

[Nick 214]

Psychosymatically [sic], I prefer the "sound" of AIFF files because their large file size makes me feel that I'm extracting every last detail from the track.
 
NK 

 

[xnor]

Size doesn't matter .. for sound quality.

 

[Nick 214]

  Size doesn't matter .. for sound quality.

 
Strange how it's never the bigger one that says that... 

 
 
NK

 

[Makiah S]

  Size doesn't matter .. for sound quality.

 
 

   
Strange how it's never the bigger one that says that... 

 
 
NK

 
Exactly lol, those poor guys running those compact little rigs. I mean not all of us can run around with an All LossLess Portable rig. Not every one is blessed with a little extra size ;3

 

[xnor]

What I mean is that sound quality is achieved during production and not during playback using some super duper high-res format.
The statement, that CDs sound bad, is an excuse given when people didn't know what they were doing during production.
 
 
Also, lossless is lossless, no loss. It decodes perfectly bit by bit to the original file. Again, the size of the resulting (e.g. flac) file does not correlate with sound quality. I have countless flac files that have higher "sound quality" but much lower bitrate (file size/duration).

 

[Makiah S]

  What I mean is that sound quality is achieved during production and not during playback using some super duper high-res format.
The statement, that CDs sound bad, is an excuse given when people didn't know what they were doing during production.
 
 
Also, lossless is lossless, no loss. It decodes perfectly bit by bit to the original file. Again, the size of the resulting (e.g. flac) file does not correlate with sound quality. I have countless flac files that have higher "sound quality" but much lower bitrate (file size/duration).

 
Oh I know, just picking on  you and pushing the leud joke forward lol
 
And AIFF is the apple equilvant to PCM right 

 

[xnor]

 
And AIFF is the apple equilvant to PCM right 

AIFF is just a container, yeah kinda the Apple version of RIFF WAVE (wav). Both can (and usually do) contain PCM.
 
Lossy/lossless codecs usually contain something completely different - they have to compress the data after all - but decode to PCM as well.

 

[Makiah S]

  AIFF is just a container, yeah kinda the Apple version of RIFF WAVE (wav). Both can (and usually do) contain PCM.
 
Lossy/lossless codecs usually contain something completely different - they have to compress the data after all - but decode to PCM as well.

 
opps, thanks for the correction. 
 
Oh man... can you imagine the Audio Phile who walks around with 32bit PCM lol, that's what like 1gb for an entire song almost