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[BS5711]

Having read this thread from start to finish, I must say you are an extremely rude person. I've been on Head-fi since 2009 and you take the cake by far. Not close. Frankly, I will never be back here to hear you "scream" at me that I'm ignorant and a patsy for listening to my music and making determinations about what's right for me. If you were serious about this, and genuinely wanted to help those heathens like me, you would at least try to be calm and friendly. (Maybe this is you being calm and friendly, I do not know). Is it required to be rude in order to contribute to this forum?

Anyway, enjoy your false sense of superiority.

See ya!!

@Luckyleo

I totally get your point but it doesn't take much time here to see the garbage that these guys have put up with day in and day out for years. It is no wonder that some of them, @gregorio very definitely included, can come across as somewhat short, abrupt and yes even rude.

People who don't actually care about sound science come here to treat the few hard core guys here like punching bags then when they have had their fun they move on and criticise the sound science forum because the guys don't pander to their nonsense and come across as abrupt and rude.

Then you get a few that aren't regulars but pop in on and off just to have a jab at the few hard core guys in whatever the trending thread happens to be, one of them was featured in the post that you replied to. They just have their fun for a few posts and move on only to come back a week later or whenever they think they want a bit of levity at someone else's expense.

The sound science guys don't go around other forums to criticise others about all the cable garbage and other utter nonsense that gets talked about as gospel truth, in fact that would get them banned from other forums, yet people do that here routinely. You see it everywhere in the sound science forum and those that do it eventually move on only to be replaced by the next person that wants to argue and have a bit of fun saying that their listening experiences are beyond scientific understanding.

I am not across the technical details of this stuff but it interests me so I read, ask and contribute if I think I have something valid to say. These guys have never been rude to me because I am not rude to them and I don't behave like I know better when I demonstrably don't.

I have had others be rude to me in other forums simply because they think I have some deep hidden agenda for questioning certain things, a bit of rudeness isn't limited to the hard core sound science guys, not by a long shot.

There is always two sides to every story.

 

[Ryokan]

I get the impression gregorio often feels like he's shouting into the wind.

These guys don't go around other forums to criticise others about all the cable garbage and other utter nonsense that gets talked about as gospel truth, in fact that would get them banned from other forums, yet people do that here routinely. You see it everywhere in the sound science forum and those that do it eventually move on only to be replaced by the next person that wants to argue and have a bit of fun saying that their listening experiences are beyond scientific understanding.

This is like their quarantine station.

 

[BS5711]

I get the impression gregorio often feels like he's shouting into the wind.


This is like their quarantine station.

In essence he is because the guys he is addressing don't give a damn and will pop back later for another bit of fun. I don't know how the hard core regular guys do it and why they should have to frankly.

Indeed !

 

[bigshot]

In order to build a community, it's important for the people running the forum to help keep conversations on track. If they walk away and leave the forum to fend for itself, it becomes like this... a tight community that is constantly defending itself from random noise. Sound Science is under siege almost every day. We get brief periods of calm when interesting conversations emerge, but they all eventually turn into long meandering battles where correct information has to be repeated every time incorrect information is posted. And incorrect information and attacks are constantly raining down because no one is at the wheel. It's no wonder why the regular contributors become short and don't bother with the niceties of friendly conversations.

 

[Ryokan]

People in charge walking away seems to happen a lot these days Maybe it's hoped they'll eventually give up and stop countering others claims?

In essence he is because the guys he is addressing don't give a damn and will pop back later for another bit of fun. I don't know how the hard core regular guys do it and why they should have to frankly.

Indeed !

Some are interested in proper debate, others not so much and look like a tag team.

 

[bigshot]

Maybe it's hoped they'll eventually give up and stop

 

[Ryokan]

As in the regulars here giving up

 

[bigshot]

That isn't apt to happen. I've been here for almost 20 years and Gregorio is the energizer bunny. There are a few others that go way back too. Lots of good people have fallen away over the years- way too many. But this is the Alamo and we'll go down swinging.

 

[Quazar]

For me, Gregorio is the most valuable participant in this forum.
I admire your patience. The detail with which he is able to express his opinion is commendable.
The enemy of many, better learn from him...
In his place, I would often put it more harshly...

 

[gregorio]

I must say you are an extremely rude person.

Not sure about extremely but “yes”, I am sometimes very rude. Have you never been very rude to people who were very rude to you?

I've been on Head-fi since 2009 and you take the cake by far. Not close.

You’re joking? Maybe you have just read very sheltered posts, obviously not much in this subforum from those denying the facts/science and posting false/made-up facts, or maybe you just don’t realise doing that is “extremely rude” in science and science discussion?

I will never be back here to hear you "scream" at me that I'm ignorant and a patsy for listening to my music and making determinations about what's right for me.

I have never screamed at you and I have never screamed at anyone “for listening to music and making determinations about what’s right for them”, and I did not do that in the post you quoted (or any other post)! So, you have just made-up a lie about me, don’t you think that’s very or even extremely rude? Would it really be unjustifiable if I responded to you in kind?

If you were serious about this, and genuinely wanted to help those heathens like me, you would at least try to be calm and friendly.

Firstly, I do NOT view those who are not well educated in audio/sound science as “heathens”, I view them as ordinary people, like myself, who simply have not had the time or inclination to educate ourselves about everything we encounter. Secondly, I am entirely calm and friendly, except of course to those who are very unfriendly to me.

The sound science guys don't go around other forums to criticise others about all the cable garbage and other utter nonsense that gets talked about as gospel truth, in fact that would get them banned from other forums, yet people do that here routinely.

To be fair, I have done that in the past but have been banned for it. And I do occasionally venture out into other forums, although just to answer some question/point rather than criticise others.

As in the regulars here giving up

Unfortunately, that’s happened all too often. We have had an actual scientist who was a regular here, as well as highly expert engineers in various audio/related fields and when I first started in the recording industry I spoke to a number of older engineers who used to regularly engage with the audiophile community many years earlier. However, all those independent experts who were head-fi members were flamed off the site and as far as I’m aware I’m pretty much the last one still here. And without exception, all those older, highly experienced and respected sound/music engineers when I started warned me against engaging with the audiophile community and that I would be treated as an ignorant newbie if I referred to them. That was roughly 30 years ago and the audiophile community has become even worse since then, because the internet provides a platform for and actually encourages any/every BS’er.

Incidentally, I very occasionally engage with some sites/forums in a completely unrelated field (because it’s my hobby) and some of the BS starting to appear that field is far more troubling than what we see here. Here it’s just audiophiles being (almost willingly) scammed out of relatively small amounts of money, while the consequences of believing the BS there could be serious legal issues and could easily cost lives but even the prospect of causing death doesn’t bother the BS’ers!

G

 

[bigshot]

I'm crotchety and proud! Team curmudgeon!

 

[BS5711]

To be fair, I have done that in the past but have been banned for it. And I do occasionally venture out into other forums, although just to answer some question/point rather than criticise others.

G

 

[muza_1]

People take directness as a personal attack when views are opposed and is even worse with those that have never been around science, hell some even don't know what science is and how it works. Explaining things as they are, no sugar coating, no grain of salt, no analogies, just facts, is not a personal attack nor rude.

I fail to see how being informed on how things work by a person more knowledgeable about the subject is viewed as personal attack, if anything I am grateful for their time and patience.

Also it seem it's becoming a common theme that the uninformed and/or ignorant take science and scientists as joke and make fun of them (defense mechanism maybe?).

 

[bigshot]

It’s just garden variety internet trolling. They know they can get away with it because no one is moderating, so they put on a show.

 

[muza_1]

It’s just garden variety internet trolling. They know they can get away with it because no one is moderating, so they put on a show.

Yes you are right and I get that this happens a lot on forums but I personally think it's starting to sip to real life, fulled by the same trolls, but non the less to me anti-science (along with anti-intellectualism) is gaining ground even when is to the detriment of the people promoting or parroting it (as usual), anti-vax is an example, I don't know maybe is my own perception but I feel it has gained some ground this last years.