[Paul Mohr]

In my opinion in the digital realm things either work or they don't. The easiest way for me explain it is with video. A fancy HDMI cable is not going to make the picture on your tv better. It won't have better contrast or more vibrant colors. If the cable doesn't work or doesn't carry enough data you simply don't get an image. Or that image is so messed up it isn't watchable. The same would be true of audio. You either don't get a signal which means no sound or get some kind screwed up sound that isn't even music. It just ends up being some kind of noisy mess. Most of us have heard that sound, its just noise. Over the air digital tv or satellite works the same way. You either get a perfect picture, no picture or a picture that freezes. You don't get less video quality, a fuzzy picture or ghosting.

I will say I find it amusing how the categories on the forum are grouped. One category above this one is the polar opposite. If you posted this topic in the section above this one you would completely different responses. People would be raving about the sound they get with their expensive switcher, router, eithernet cables and 300 dollar power cords.

Unless you are trying to solve a problem that already exists like stuttering, buffering, hum or static I don't see a point in any of this stuff. The amount of stuff video and audio runs through both digital and analog before it gets to your ears or eyes is mind boggling. I don't think changing one component in that chain like a cable or something is going to make any difference. To me this seems no different than someone running 10 ga speaker wire to a speaker that is 3 feet away drawing 20 watts of power. Then saying they can hear a difference. No you didn't, unless your previous wire was messed up or had a poor connection. The wiring in your amp or speaker is probably 18 ga, if that good. I saw this a lot in car audio. Guys would run speaker wire that was as large or larger than the wire they had running to the amp lol. And the sub woofer was like a foot or two away from the amp.

 

[bfreedma]

Linear PSUs are slower than switching PSUs, which translates to degradation in time domain

I really have to make up an audiophile fallacy bingo card for the regulars here to play along.

Some of the card squares I can think of - feel free to add to the list:

1. But my ears…
2. I’m hearing things that are inaudible to measuring devices
3. I can control my placebo
4. DBTs are no good because (insert random thought here)
5. Transmission of digital audio across a network is different than all other network traffic
6. i have X number of years of listening to cables and my experience trumps known physics
7. Magic power supplies
8. USB is worse than (insert esoteric interface requiring 14 devices to connect here)
9. Noise floor of -124db is audibly better than -122db
10. The less gear in the audio path, the better. Except for the 37 devices I need to improve the connection
11. You need to test for yourself, when referring to Ethernet cables and other items that have long been transparent
12. I auditioned Amp X 4 years ago at a meet and my new amp sounds better
13. Prove my crazy and unsupported (by me and/or known science) is wrong. It’s not my burd of proof to prove my own claims
14. EQ always audibly degrades music reproduction
15. More of anything is automatically better

We just need about 10 more to build our card and play along with our visiting posters!

 

[Paul Mohr]

You could add in all the goofy terms they use to describe what they hear. Like chocolaty, someone please explain to me what chocolate sound like? And why I can't see it on a frequency response chart.

 

[bfreedma]

You could add in all the goofy terms they use to describe what they hear. Like chocolaty, someone please explain to me what chocolate sound like? And why I can't see it on a frequency response chart.

Good one. I’ll add it to the list.

 

[megabigeye]

I really have to make up an audiophile fallacy bingo card for the regulars here to play along.

Some of the card squares I can think of - feel free to add to the list:

1. But my ears…
2. I’m hearing things that are inaudible to measuring devices
3. I can control my placebo
4. DBTs are no good because (insert random thought here)
5. Transmission of digital audio across a network is different than all other network traffic
6. i have X number of years of listening to cables and my experience trumps known physics
7. Magic power supplies
8. USB is worse than (insert esoteric interface requiring 14 devices to connect here)
9. Noise floor of -124db is audibly better than -122db
10. The less gear in the audio path, the better. Except for the 37 devices I need to improve the connection
11. You need to test for yourself, when referring to Ethernet cables and other items that have long been transparent
12. I auditioned Amp X 4 years ago at a meet and my new amp sounds better
13. Prove my crazy and unsupported (by me and/or known science) is wrong. It’s not my burd of proof to prove my own claims
14. EQ always audibly degrades music reproduction
15. More of anything is automatically better

We just need about 10 more to build our card and play along with our visiting posters!

“Your ears / listening skill / gear aren’t good enough to hear a difference”

I feel like Audiophile Bingo should have its own thread with some sort of pot for the winner.

 

[bfreedma]

“Your ears / listening skill / gear aren’t good enough to hear a difference”

I feel like Audiophile Bingo should have its own thread with some sort of pot for the winner.

When I get some free time, I’ll see if there would be a reasonably easy way of generating bingo cards

Wasn‘t really thinking of prizes - not sure that wouldn’t violate Head-FI‘s TOS. Perhaps one of the boutique cable makers could provide us with a $1000 Ethernet cable as a prize

 

[bigshot]

Please add "Night and day!" "The veil was lifted!" and "Even my wife can hear the difference!" to the bingo card. If we do a Sound Science version of Hollywood Squares, I volunteer to be Paul Lynde.

 

[daggah]

In my opinion in the digital realm things either work or they don't.

There's no real need to preface this statement with "in my opinion." Ethernet networking has error correction protocols built-in.

 

[old tech]

I really have to make up an audiophile fallacy bingo card for the regulars here to play along.

Some of the card squares I can think of - feel free to add to the list:

1. But my ears…
2. I’m hearing things that are inaudible to measuring devices
3. I can control my placebo
4. DBTs are no good because (insert random thought here)
5. Transmission of digital audio across a network is different than all other network traffic
6. i have X number of years of listening to cables and my experience trumps known physics
7. Magic power supplies
8. USB is worse than (insert esoteric interface requiring 14 devices to connect here)
9. Noise floor of -124db is audibly better than -122db
10. The less gear in the audio path, the better. Except for the 37 devices I need to improve the connection
11. You need to test for yourself, when referring to Ethernet cables and other items that have long been transparent
12. I auditioned Amp X 4 years ago at a meet and my new amp sounds better
13. Prove my crazy and unsupported (by me and/or known science) is wrong. It’s not my burd of proof to prove my own claims
14. EQ always audibly degrades music reproduction
15. More of anything is automatically better

We just need about 10 more to build our card and play along with our visiting posters!

Your stereo is not good/resolving enough
Your ears are not good enough
Just listen

 

[bigshot]

Stairstep, DBT isn't reliable, you aren't scientific enough, inaudible frequencies are audible, ad hominem attack can be the free wild card in the middle

 

[Paul Mohr]

There's no real need to preface this statement with "in my opinion." Ethernet networking has error correction protocols built-in.

They reason I say "in my opinion" is because I am not a network specialist, a trained IT person, I am not an electrical engineer nor do I have a background in electronics. I was a computer tech back in the day but I built systems I didn't do networking. I am basing my opiniion on things I have been told, read or observed, not been trained in. Therefore I feel they are only opinions and I don't want to lead people to believe I am telling them something is fact when I can't back it up or may indeed be wrong. Now if we were discussing something I had more knowledge in and knew for a fact I was right I would have no trouble telling someone I am right, you are wrong. And I would write a full page of text epxlaining why. Trust me, I can be that guy lol. You are more likely to see that from me on an archery or automotive forum than a headphone audio forum though.

 

[bigshot]

You don’t have to be an auto mechanic to tell someone they can’t run their car on water instead of gasoline.

 

[Claypole]

'I don't need to do a DBT, I just KNOW it sounds better.'

 

[daggah]

Maybe the guys who think their ethernet cables make a difference should upgrade their cables with this:

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazi...ce=audiogon&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=HP

 

[daggah]

Lol just got a suspension from the other thread for posting that.