DENAFRIPS 'ARES' R2R discrete ladder DAC - close up view

[GoldenSound]

Thats understandable. quoting from memory isn't accurate..thanks

Yep. I'm quite happy to compare general sound signature differences but often things like outright resolution can be extremely unreliable to compare from memory so I prefer not to do so.

 

[Mozbach]

Yep. I'm quite happy to compare general sound signature differences but often things like outright resolution can be extremely unreliable to compare from memory so I prefer not to do so.

Yes.. agreed.. Iv been trying to chase tonality, timbre focused sound signature that gives a 3d, holographic, deep sounstage with layering and seperation..while natural heft at bottom end.
Whats confusing me is whether the Ares; compared to the bifrost, comprises that reasonable bottom end to gain spacious/airy textural sound?

Also What would be good SS head amp pairing under $300, if one steers away thx or warm amps like asgard3 (video said singxer may make things too warm)? Which amps retain the depth and staging from the dac?

And again, this is really an open question for all who can offer a 'best guess' opinion

 

[sajunky]

It doesn't really matter to me because I don't really use the SE output but how is anyone supposed to be aware of this prior to purchasing?

Considering how many reviews there are of the dac, I don't see any mention of what happens when you connect both outputs.

Its $814 now.

It is in the manual, isn't? I am sorry, but you tried to argue about introducing distortions.
Ignorancy is not an excuse.

 

[sajunky]

Also What would be good SS head amp pairing under $300, if one steers away thx or warm amps like asgard3 (video said singxer may make things too warm)? Which amps retain the depth and staging from the dac?

Zero feedback class A, try this - entry level $315.

 

[dougms3]

It is in the manual, isn't? I am sorry, but you tried to argue about introducing distortions.
Ignorancy is not an excuse.

No its not in the manual that having both outputs connected causes distortion.

Theres a churched up version of that which includes the word recommended.

It is recommended to cover your bases in english when spitting out those type of words.

Ignorancy Ignorance is not an excuse.

 

[sajunky]

No its not in the manual that having both outputs connected causes distortion.

For most of people it is sufficient if says that it is not recommended. I would recommend better DAC in this price range that do not have this limitation... maybe I would....

 

[GoldenSound]

Yes.. agreed.. Iv been trying to chase tonality, timbre focused sound signature that gives a 3d, holographic, deep sounstage with layering and seperation..while natural heft at bottom end.
Whats confusing me is whether the Ares; compared to the bifrost, comprises that reasonable bottom end to gain spacious/airy textural sound?

Also What would be good SS head amp pairing under $300, if one steers away thx or warm amps like asgard3 (video said singxer may make things too warm)? Which amps retain the depth and staging from the dac?

And again, this is really an open question for all who can offer a 'best guess' opinion

If you can stretch to an SA-1 I'd highly recommend it. It's an excellent amp.

 

[Mozbach]

If you can stretch to an SA-1 I'd highly recommend it. It's an excellent amp.

Thanks for replying, and the valueable suggestion. But I'm looking for a lower investment for now..Planning to use Sundara and hd6xx for now, saving the difference for hp upgrade.

Would Magni3± or Asgard 3 suffice? Appreciate the tip

 

[JaquesGelee]

Thanks for replying, and the valueable suggestion. But I'm looking for a lower investment for now..Planning to use Sundara and hd6xx for now, saving the difference for hp upgrade.

Would Magni3± or Asgard 3 suffice? Appreciate the tip

It´s your choice and your money, but you still have some solid cans. Definetly think about stretching for a future invest to the SA-1.
Couldn´t say something about Schiit Products.

 

[sajunky]

1.
Couldn´t say something about Schiit Products.

I can say something about SA-1. It is another example of dual-sealed SMPS with ground loops leaking to your system.

 

[GoldenSound]

I can say something about SA-1. It is another example of dual-sealed SMPS with ground loops leaking to your system.

That's not how ground loops work.
Whether your PSU is SMPS or LPS will not have any effect on a ground loop.

 

[sajunky]

That's not how ground loops work.
Whether your PSU is SMPS or LPS will not have any effect on a ground loop.

I know it was your choice, it means you are not a person able to assess technical problem with such dual SMPS configuration. Very bad for a person putting his hands on such equipment like APxxx analyzer.

It is a similar design fault as in Topping A90. In result, this amp has unusable (noisy) single ended inputs and ground loops come out polluting all devices in a chain. A reason for this you should know, there is no single grounding point in this device. Fundamental design quidelines are seriously violated.

For all others, it is not about SMPS vs. LPS, as the uninformed is trying assess the matter. It is about dual SMPS, identical sealed units, each one having an internal safety grounding point wired to its own negative rail. Now Topping/Singxer designers connect these two units in series for creating (+), GND and (-) power rails. Problem is created at this moment, as one safety grounding point is placed (as expected) on a system ground, but the other one end up on the minus power rail.

 

[GoldenSound]

I know it was your choice, it means you are not a person able to assess technical problem with such dual SMPS configuration. Very bad for a person putting his hands on such equipment like APxxx analyzer.

It is a similar design fault as in Topping A90. In result, this amp has unusable (noisy) single ended inputs and ground loops come out polluting all devices in a chain. A reason for this you should know, there is no single grounding point in this device. Fundamental design quidelines are seriously violated.

For all others, it is not about SMPS vs. LPS, as the uninformed is trying assess the matter. It is about dual SMPS, identical sealed units, each one having an internal safety grounding point wired to its own negative rail. Now Topping/Singxer designers connect these two units in series for creating (+), GND and (-) power rails. Problem is created at this moment, as one safety grounding point is placed (as expected) on a system ground, but the other one end up on the minus power rail.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'my choice'? I don't own an SA-1 if that's what you're implying.

A ground loop is a setup fault, not a fault of a specific device....
There are various performance aspects that can be influenced by different grounding methods but your implication that the SA1 has a problem either with ground loops or PSU noise generally is simply untrue.

I'd very much appreciate it if you didn't immediately resort to rude terms such as 'uninformed'

 

[sajunky]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'my choice'? I don't own an SA-1 if that's what you're implying.

If it is your way to deal with embarassment, fine. But remember that in this post you have recommended a device ignoring single grounding point design rule.

 

[GoldenSound]

If it is your way to deal with embarassment, fine. But remember that in this post you have recommended a device ignoring single grounding point design rule.

Would be great if you could show some proof of what you're claiming.

You seem to have a habit of claiming the existence of flaws in designs then refusing to demonstrate them even when all other evidence contradicts what you've said.