[bong]

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Originally Posted by corrosive_nf What songs like 1015 Saturday Night, and Killing An Arab fit in perfectly with the sound of those times.

LOL i totally agree, The Cure are absolutely my fave band, but during those years (1979-1982) The Cure were almost virtually ignored. the singles "Killing an Arab/10:15 Saturday Night" and "Boys Don't Cry" famously flopped. "A Forest" stalled at 30 something, "Primary" did only slightly better. the only chart success they had at the time was the album Pornography which reached only within the Top 20.

all their contemporaries had either chart success and/or an influential impact. like Bauhaus or even Depeche Mode at the time, The Cure never did get the respect they deserve like New Order, PiL, or Siouxsie and the Banshees did. they were often universally panned, just like Bauhaus.

 

[gratefulshrink]

I think people have covered all the best groups, but I don't think Pere Ubu was mentioned.

A definite favorite of mine is also The Feelies, "Crazy Rhythms", which might fall outside some defintions of post-punk.

Oh, and if you've never heard "Deceit" by This Heat (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p...:jb60tr29klkx), youve gotta check it out.

 

[corrosive_nf]

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Originally Posted by bong LOL i totally agree, The Cure are absolutely my fave band, but during those years (1979-1982) The Cure were almost virtually ignored. the singles "Killing an Arab/10:15 Saturday Night" and "Boys Don't Cry" famously flopped. "A Forest" stalled at 30 something, "Primary" did only slightly better. the only chart success they had at the time was the album Pornography which reached only within the Top 20. all their contemporaries had either chart success and/or an influential impact. like Bauhaus or even Depeche Mode at the time, The Cure never did get the respect they deserve like New Order, PiL, or Siouxsie and the Banshees did. they were often universally panned, just like Bauhaus.

I like you.

 

[steviebee]

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Originally Posted by gratefulshrink I think people have covered all the best groups, but I don't think Pere Ubu was mentioned. Oh, and..."Deceit" by This Heat

Agreed - David Thomas & Pere Ubu were/are essential! I read the play they took their name from -it's essential too!

How does Deceit compare to This Heat's (seemingly incredibly £$£$ rare on CD) first record? I have that on vinyl, but have never heard Deceit -sorry GS, no time to check your link right now

steviebee

 

[VicAjax]

i'll play:

Hüsker Dü - Zen Arcade

Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables

Minutemen - Double Nickels on the Dime

The Replacements - Let it Be

 

[Riordan]

VicAjax,
those are four of my favorite albums - but i wouldn't label any of them as 'post-punk' - because they're not british. all in all i prefer the american development "post punk" to the direction the brits took (towards new wave and synthie-pop), but 'post-punk' for me is gang of four, wire, the fall, early cure, joy division...

as for british post-punk, i agree with dorfmeister's proposed list.

 

[Jahn]

Big hell yeah on the Talking Heads. I know it's hard to believe, what with their later exposure on MTV, but just imagine those quirky riffs coming out of CBGBs, hehe!

Was Television really post-punk? I thought it was contemporary to the Punk movement and Marquee Moon was just a stranger in a strange land. I still think nobody can touch what this album touched on back then.

Joy Division was very post-punk. Those guys started because they were inspired by the Sex Pistols, after all. But of course, they went their own dark way...

 

[Jahn]

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Originally Posted by Riordan VicAjax, those are four of my favorite albums - but i wouldn't label any of them as 'post-punk' - because they're not british. all in all i prefer the american development "post punk" to the direction the brits took (towards new wave and synthie-pop), but 'post-punk' for me is gang of four, wire, the fall, early cure, joy division... as for british post-punk, i agree with dorfmeister's proposed list.

is that implying that Punk is only British? The Ramones might argue with that

 

[VicAjax]

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Originally Posted by Riordan VicAjax, those are four of my favorite albums - but i wouldn't label any of them as 'post-punk' - because they're not british. all in all i prefer the american development "post punk" to the direction the brits took (towards new wave and synthie-pop), but 'post-punk' for me is gang of four, wire, the fall, early cure, joy division... as for british post-punk, i agree with dorfmeister's proposed list.

while this definition may appeal to diehard john peel anglophiliacs, i think it's somewhat myopic.

Dorfmeister noted the wikipedia article as a reference point, and perusing its list of post-punk bands, three of the four i mentioned are there.

the only one missing from the list is The Dead Kennedys, which i grant you really fits more in the "hardcore" category. however, by the commonly accepted standards of post-punk, dead kennedys would indeed qualify, as they had superior musical abilities and more complex song structure than the original punk wave.

 

[Factor]

The DK's are L.A. hardcore, not post-punk.

And to say post-punk is a British thing is to completely forget about Mission Of Burma.

 

[jonnyhambone]

the Raincoats 1st album...and their live at the Kitchen release, were, and are, crucial listening on a monthly basis from the early 80's through now and into tomorrow. The Slits too as far as influence but, to me, not as totally listenable.

 

[gratefulshrink]

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Originally Posted by steviebee Agreed - David Thomas & Pere Ubu were/are essential! I read the play they took their name from -it's essential too! How does Deceit compare to This Heat's (seemingly incredibly £$£$ rare on CD) first record? I have that on vinyl, but have never heard Deceit -sorry GS, no time to check your link right now steviebee

We have the same problem, as I have never heard This Heat's first album. But you might as well pick up Deceit, since [I think] it's still in print.

 

[gratefulshrink]

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Originally Posted by Jahn Was Television really post-punk? I thought it was contemporary to the Punk movement and Marquee Moon was just a stranger in a strange land. I still think nobody can touch what this album touched on back then.

Televsion is one of the most under-rated/under-appreciated bands of all time, IMO. Totally unique sound that never gets old.

Slightly OT, as they were proto=punk rather than post-punk, but has anyone heard Simply Saucer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music) ?

 

[dave-the-rave]

Believe it or not, I think Devo fits the post-punk definition— that is, the stripped-down nature of punk (and its rejection of "corporate/dinosaur" rock), plus a more arty/experimental palette than straight punk like the Pistols or Ramones.

Before they became cartoony, their first album has some very dark material. The original single on their own Booji Boy label was "Jocko Homo" b/w "Mongoloid" with a much rougher production than the Eno-produced versions on the first LP, and the first time we played it in the record store I worked at, everybody just freaked— it is so-o-o creepy.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

 

[bong]

along with B-52's and Talking Heads, Devo was definitely Post-Punk in every sense of the genre, just to add a few American representatives. hmm... never heard the original version of "Jocko Homo," but the Brian Eno produced version is still kinda creepy yet slightly humourous all the same.

"Are we not men? D-E-V-O!!!"