DAC and Headphone Amplifier · Streaming Media Receiver · Local Playback All in One Unit, FIIO K17 Is Officially Released!

[Gun21]

Quick question: does the DSP work on the line outs? Edit: and the SPDIF out? Nope, but what about COAX?

 

[dsrk]

I'm coming from setups like EqualizerAPO, SoundSource, and the Qudelix 5K, all of which allow for some kind of preamp negative gain adjustment. For instance, if I apply a +5dB bass shelf, I can offset that with a -5dB preamp gain to avoid clipping or distortion.

On the FiiO DSP app, I haven’t found any option that clearly handles this. Is the DSP applying some kind of automatic gain compensation behind the scenes? I noticed that enabling PEQ doesn’t seem to affect volume levels at all.

Cause this is lossless PEQ. Just like Mojo 2's lossless PEQ which doesn't drop volume level.

 

[arielext]

Received mine today. Will probably send it back. Not a fan of the screen at all. Will be testing it over the next couple of days but unless something can convince me otherwise it is going back for a refund somewhere nexr week.

Sent it back today.
I thought I would like the screen and the interface on it, but nope.
It's a good aio unit and could definitely be end-game for a lot of people, but not for me.
Swapping back and forth between the K17 and Audio-GD R28 I had the feeling the K17 is just a bit sharper, a bit sibilant with the Sennheiser HD 490 PRO.

 

[FiiO-Yellow]

Quick question: does the DSP work on the line outs? Edit: and the SPDIF out? Nope, but what about COAX?

hi, dsp can not work in coax out.

 

[holzohr]

I had the same Roon streaming bug l reboot loop for a couple of days. Thank God it was already noted and mentioned about that. A Roon backup made some weeks before helped to kick out the internet radio station from playlist.

 

[Gun21]

FiiO-Yellow​

To make this a winning unit, and to stand out even further from the crowd, you have to do these things:

1. Bass and treble controls. This is simple - on some songs, people just want to dial in a bit more bass or treble. We do not want to fart around with a 31 band EQ. Hendrix would've have finished by this point. Basically, appeal to the masses. Again, keep it simple. Could you use the two knobs for this?

2. An easy to understand 5 or 6 band EQ (see above). A step above the Bass/Treble option.

3. Your 31 band EQ. is hopelessly complicated. So.......

4. Make a 3 step EQ system. - Basic / Intermediate / Expert.

5. Per L/R channel EQ. This can be done. RME does it. My hearing is slightly different in one ear. We're we're the one's that can afford your gear. Do it.

6. Crossfeed. Again, RME does it, and so does Chord. You can too. There's dual DACs in this unit.

7. Loudness function. RME does it, and so should you.

Basically, bag an RME ADI FS DAC and study what they've done right. Look at their software implementation; it is frankly superb. Also, make an R2R, FiiO, please, I want soundstage. The RME is sadly lacking in this respect. While you're at it, make a standalone DAC with the same features.

Also Do one of these, And make a comprehensive desktop software solution. You're such a great company, forgive me for making these suggestions, but please have a think.

A

 

[scracy]

FiiO-Yellow​

To make this a winning unit, and to stand out even further from the crowd, you have to do these things:

1. Bass and treble controls. This is simple - on some songs, people just want to dial in a bit more bass or treble. We do not want to fart around with a 31 band EQ. Hendrix would've have finished by this point. Basically, appeal to the masses. Again, keep it simple. Could you use the two knobs for this?

2. An easy to understand 5 or 6 band EQ (see above). A step above the Bass/Treble option.

3. Your 31 band EQ. is hopelessly complicated. So.......

4. Make a 3 step EQ system. - Basic / Intermediate / Expert.

5. Per L/R channel EQ. This can be done. RME does it. My hearing is slightly different in one ear. We're we're the one's that can afford your gear. Do it.

6. Crossfeed. Again, RME does it, and so does Chord. You can too. There's dual DACs in this unit.

7. Loudness function. RME does it, and so should you.

Basically, bag an RME ADI FS DAC and study what they've done right. Look at their software implementation; it is frankly superb. Also, make an R2R, FiiO, please, I want soundstage. The RME is sadly lacking in this respect. While you're at it, make a standalone DAC with the same features.

Also Do one of these, And make a comprehensive desktop software solution. You're such a great company, forgive me for making these suggestions, but please have a think.


A

Perhaps you should have bought an RME? A spectrum analyser instead of laggy VU meters might have have been a better idea and would still fit with the retro theme.

 

[Gun21]

Sigh.

 

[FiiO-Yellow]

FiiO-Yellow​

To make this a winning unit, and to stand out even further from the crowd, you have to do these things:

1. Bass and treble controls. This is simple - on some songs, people just want to dial in a bit more bass or treble. We do not want to fart around with a 31 band EQ. Hendrix would've have finished by this point. Basically, appeal to the masses. Again, keep it simple. Could you use the two knobs for this?

2. An easy to understand 5 or 6 band EQ (see above). A step above the Bass/Treble option.

3. Your 31 band EQ. is hopelessly complicated. So.......

4. Make a 3 step EQ system. - Basic / Intermediate / Expert.

5. Per L/R channel EQ. This can be done. RME does it. My hearing is slightly different in one ear. We're we're the one's that can afford your gear. Do it.

6. Crossfeed. Again, RME does it, and so does Chord. You can too. There's dual DACs in this unit.

7. Loudness function. RME does it, and so should you.

Basically, bag an RME ADI FS DAC and study what they've done right. Look at their software implementation; it is frankly superb. Also, make an R2R, FiiO, please, I want soundstage. The RME is sadly lacking in this respect. While you're at it, make a standalone DAC with the same features.

Also Do one of these, And make a comprehensive desktop software solution. You're such a great company, forgive me for making these suggestions, but please have a think.


A

Thank you for your honest feedback. I will forward it to our team. 5. You can adjust the channel balance via the menu button.
About the PEQ issue, pls allow me to quote James(FIIO CEO) to explain.
'To be honest, there is some controversy and disagreement within us regarding PEQ. Some people believe that many products of Fiio support PEQ, but it doesn't seem to greatly promote sales and there is not much discussion. Some people, including myself, believe that we need to constantly strengthen the application and improvement of PEQ in our products, and correct bugs.

Based on my personal experience with users, consumers in China generally believe that PEQ is not very useful. Users outside of China prefer PEQ.

Currently, we will still increase the application and development of PEQ, because the PEQ adjustment on K19 was outsourced before, and later developed by Feiao itself, so it takes some time.

From outsourcing to self-development, it is also because outsourcing only supports software under the WIN system platform and does not support mobile devices.

So, the progress is indeed relatively slow because we need to recruit qualified engineers again. In addition, we may be the only brand that needs to support so many devices and platforms. The workload is indeed very heavy.

However, the situation is getting better, and our PEQ sharing and AUTO EQ functions will gradually be launched later.

I believe everyone can see that we are solving the problem.

Finally, we fully accept your criticism. I am also an enthusiast and a user. Although we cannot create a perfect product, we will strive towards this goal.
'

 

[Pictus]

However, the situation is getting better, and our PEQ sharing and AUTO EQ functions will gradually be launched later.

That is good to hear!
There is any difference in latency(if any) and max sampling rates from the PEQ in K19 and K17?

 

[FiiO-Yellow]

That is good to hear!
There is any difference in latency(if any) and max sampling rates from the PEQ in K19 and K17?

Hi, there is not much different in latency.
k19 dsp chip is better than K17. k19 supports 192kHz, and K17 supports up to 96kHz

 

[FiiO Support Lin Lin]

I picked up the K17 last week and I'm really impressed so far—the design looks great, the controls feel solid, and the overall functionality is excellent.

That said, I have a question for @FiiO-Yellow or anyone else familiar with the unit. One of the main reasons I chose the K17 was for its ability to store DSP profiles for different headphones and IEMs I use. I frequently switch between sources, so having the PEQ handled internally by the DAC/AMP (rather than relying on software for each input) is a big plus for me.

I'm coming from setups like EqualizerAPO, SoundSource, and the Qudelix 5K, all of which allow for some kind of preamp negative gain adjustment. For instance, if I apply a +5dB bass shelf, I can offset that with a -5dB preamp gain to avoid clipping or distortion.

On the FiiO DSP app, I haven’t found any option that clearly handles this. Is the DSP applying some kind of automatic gain compensation behind the scenes? I noticed that enabling PEQ doesn’t seem to affect volume levels at all.

Also, a quick tip: you can rename the "Custom 1–10" profiles using the FiiO Control iOS app by holding down on the profile name! The renamed profiles show up correctly on the device itself, although the FiiO DSP desktop app still displays them as "Custom 1–10" and doesn't seem to have any way to change the naming there.

Dear friend,

Hi,
1. Global gain, this is not done on the DSP software. We have submited a requirements to the project team for assessing.
2. Custom EQ renaming issues, currently only support APP terminal and the host to display the modified name. DSP client does not support the display of the modified EQ name because of the communication method.

Best regards

 

[david07]

I believe FiiO shouldn't waste its time and resources on complex EQ implementations that most users don't even use and that aren't even faithful to the original sound source… If really needed, RME dacs are there for this purpose(studio).

When users plug their earphones into the device, they want to hear a wide and deep soundstage, tight bass, lifelike mids, detailed and captivating airy sound. Better clocking, chip implementing, power management is what FiiO should focus on. This is my humble opinion of course.

 

[Gun21]

RME D

I believe FiiO shouldn't waste its time and resources on complex EQ implementations that most users don't even use and that aren't even faithful to the original sound source… If really needed, RME dacs are there for this purpose(studio).

When users plug their earphones into the device, they want to hear a wide and deep soundstage, tight bass, lifelike mids, detailed and captivating airy sound. Better clocking, chip implementing, power management is what FiiO should focus on. This is my humble opinion of course.

RME DACS do not have a wide and deep soundstage. They are designed for mastering. Forgive me, but that's why I wrote that post!

 

[ASilva]

I believe FiiO shouldn't waste its time and resources on complex EQ implementations that most users don't even use and that aren't even faithful to the original sound source… If really needed, RME dacs are there for this purpose(studio).

When users plug their earphones into the device, they want to hear a wide and deep soundstage, tight bass, lifelike mids, detailed and captivating airy sound. Better clocking, chip implementing, power management is what FiiO should focus on. This is my humble opinion of course.

For me the PEQ was THE deciding factor for me to purchase the K17. I own and love the Qudelix5k on a more portable scope and wanted similar functionality on a full desktop AMP/DAC combo. FiiO K17 almost delivers on this promise. Most things can probably be changed via updates and I'm really hopeful they keep on updating the platform which is already fantastic as it is.

There are dozens of very competent AMP/DACs on the market already, from different manufacturers and that offer similar features, FiiO is really giving something different here which I appreciate.