[Daniel Johnston]

I actually already wrote about that in my original post.

As I wrote, Qudelix 5K lets you adjust PEQ from app. And the PEQ gets stored on the DAC itself so that all inputs can get EQ's - the EQ then has nothing to do with the app, until you want to change again.

that's the exact reason I wrote Chord should buy a Qudelix 5K, to see how simply this works...

If they do PEQ in future , I hope they don't put this in Poly, because then you are forced to use Poly as your source. Toslink and digi coax and other USB sources wont get PEQ

Which would require a companion app and a way to connect to the Mojo2 to download the settings. That's my point. Chord can't write software to save their lives. Even after 6+ years GoFigure is rudimentary at best. That would also require the end user to have access to the FGPA somehow or a secondary processor/subsystem to handle the PEQ portion. The poly is the only remotely logical way to implement PEQ given it is essentially a linux box and has a companion app.

Rob Watts doesn't write app software. Unless it can be done via firmware on the FGPA, he wouldn't be part of it. You certainly can make the ask though. It's not simply Chord copying Qudelix as it is Chord doing something fundamentally different in a space that they quite frankly do poorly (software and app design). And, how many people would actually want or use this functionality?

 

[joseluishs]

The Chord DAVE thread is more interesting nowadays about the Mojo 2 than the Mojo 2 thread itself lol check that one out guys!

 

[flyte3333]

Word is the new Topping DACs that are going to support 10 band PEQ will have desktop app the for adjusting on DAC. Needs a USB cable connection for this. After that, settings get stored on the DAC itself for all inputs, so the connection to the desktop app is not required.

Qudelix do it via bluetooth connection to mobile apps

Point is not to tell Chord to "copy" anyone

Point is to get Chord to look at ways others are doing it and think about how they can do it in future

This is going to be coming to a lot of DACs I suspect.

It will cause separation but there are so many great DACs out there now.

PEQ can significantly transform sound quality for headphones or even speakers in room

 

[joseluishs]

Word is the new Topping DACs that are going to support 10 band PEQ will have desktop app the for adjusting on DAC. Needs a USB cable connection for this. After that, settings get stored on the DAC itself for all inputs, so the connection to the desktop app is not required.

Qudelix do it via bluetooth connection to mobile apps

Point is not to tell Chord to "copy" anyone

Point is to get Chord to look at ways others are doing it and think about how they can do it in future

This is going to be coming to a lot of DACs I suspect.

It will cause separation but there are so many great DACs out there now.

PEQ can significantly transform sound quality for headphones or even speakers in room

But is sit a true lossless -301 db of pure silent PEQ though? I don't think so... even coming from the chinese manufacturers that every month come up with the new "new" stuff...

 

[flyte3333]

But is sit a true lossless -301 db of pure silent PEQ though?

Lol is this serious or a joke

 

[AussieMick]

Lol is this serious or a joke

Have you not read this thread, or the Mojo2 press materials, or any of Rob’s posts on this matter, or any of the interviews that discuss it?

 

[joseluishs]

Have you not read this thread, or the Mojo2 press materials, or any of Rob’s posts on this matter, or any of the interviews that discuss it?

Not all EQs perform in the same way or measure excellently. I trust the Rob Watts EQ by ear and his measurements. I did watch his presentations. Just because many Chinese dacs will implement PEQ doesn’t mean that they should be packed in a Mojo 2 - price bracket specially at the level of refinement that they are in that unit. I could see some PEQ implemented in the DAC that will hit the music production market or a Hugo 3.

 

[Hypops]

Not all EQs perform in the same way or measure excellently. I trust the Rob Watts EQ by ear and his measurements. I did watch his presentations. Just because many Chinese dacs will implement PEQ doesn’t mean that they should be packed in a Mojo 2 - price bracket specially at the level of refinement that they are in that unit. I could see some PEQ implemented in the DAC that will hit the music production market or a Hugo 3.

My guess is that this is a side-effect of newer, cheaper chips combining DAC/DSP functionality. I'm sure they work fine for what they are, but combo chips are cost-saving components, so there will be tradeoffs.

 

[joseluishs]

My guess is that this is a side-effect of newer, cheaper chips combining DAC/DSP functionality. I'm sure they work fine for what they are, but combo chips are cost-saving components, so there will be tradeoffs.

True A work around that I found was using my ADI-2/4 Pro SE as the main digital interface sending the PEQ to Mojo 2 via optical. I like it better than using a plugin.

 

[Hypops]

True A work around that I found was using my ADI-2/4 Pro SE as the main digital interface sending the PEQ to Mojo 2 via optical. I like it better than using a plugin.

For desktop PEQ, I switch between Roon’s DSP and Equalizer APO (with the Peace GUI), depending on whether I’m listening to music, watching movies, or playing games. When I’m mobile (iPhone), I use Roon ARC or my Qudelix 5K.

I find myself using the Mojo 2’s EQ less and less, using it primarily as just a straight-up DAC. But I’m into separates, so the idea of a combo device makes me a little itchy anyway. And with combo devices, when one function gets outdated, there’s no way to upgrade without replacing the entire device. Not cost effective in the long run, nor ideal for sound quality. It’s the reason I’ve never invested in a DAP.

When I buy a component (like the Mojo 2) I’m hoping it’ll last me into perpetuity.

 

[Daniel Johnston]

Word is the new Topping DACs that are going to support 10 band PEQ will have desktop app the for adjusting on DAC. Needs a USB cable connection for this. After that, settings get stored on the DAC itself for all inputs, so the connection to the desktop app is not required.

Qudelix do it via bluetooth connection to mobile apps

Point is not to tell Chord to "copy" anyone

Point is to get Chord to look at ways others are doing it and think about how they can do it in future

This is going to be coming to a lot of DACs I suspect.

It will cause separation but there are so many great DACs out there now.

PEQ can significantly transform sound quality for headphones or even speakers in room

I get it. I agree that PEQ for speakers to help correct for room acoustics is excellent. I disagree about the need for PEQ on heaphones. IMHO, YMMV, etc...

Maybe someday Rob will be more interested about PEQ and integrate it on one of his designs. Never hurts to have hope.

I still maintain not to hold your breath.

 

[flyte3333]

I disagree about the need for PEQ on heaphones. IMHO, YMMV, etc...

If you see how wildly headphones and IEMs measure, like speakers, you will see why AutoEQ and oratory1990 and crinacle's PEQ generating site are popular

Would be great to stick such EQ in a Mobile Joy device connected to iPhone

Mojo2's EQ is way too limited when you consider those EQ sources I mentioned

 

[flyte3333]

Have you not read this thread, or the Mojo2 press materials, or any of Rob’s posts on this matter, or any of the interviews that discuss it?

Of course, I just wasn't sure anyone actually believed that lol

I love my Mojo2 and Hugo2 by the way...

But unlike the fanboys and girls, at the same time I enjoy Mojo2 and Hugo2, I don't have to believe the -301dB stuff.

Just me though. People can believe what they like.

 

[AussieMick]

Of course, I just wasn't sure anyone actually believed that lol

I love my Mojo2 and Hugo2 by the way...

But unlike the fanboys and girls, at the same time I enjoy Mojo2 and Hugo2, I don't have to believe the -301dB stuff.

Just me though. People can believe what they like.

Why wouldn’t you believe it?

 

[flyte3333]

Why wouldn’t you believe it?

I think there are more important things to worry about than digital distortion at -300dB.

Every time Rob puts his Stealth on, the frequency response will vary wildy .

In my opinion this seems more important than millions of taps and -300dB things.

As per Dr Sean Olive and DCA Stealth is one of these...