Chord Mojo(1) DAC-amp ☆★►FAQ in 3rd post!◄★☆

[musickid]

hi deftone,
 
when you mention if it doesn't reclock referring to ifi why is that. surely reclocking aids the dac in every way?
 
also i use to use an intona with a modimultibit. it receives, reclocks and reproduces the signal by 100% and provides full galvanic isolation to usb high speed. when i tried it was outstanding. a lifelike addictive sound where the vocals became akin so real that someone was having a direct conversation with you. its doing something right so many praise it. its not instant night/day it takes time to understand its full potential. i was looking at options for my new hugo and intona comes top so far. it does not affect asynchrous usb operation of dac at all and is 100% transparent. i have no links to intona but im sure their website show very good measurements. optical negates control of dacs timing to computer.

 

[Deftone]

What about Hugo2. Have you heard it?

 
Not yet i shoud have one in a month or 2
 

  hi deftone,
 
when you mention if it doesn't reclock referring to ifi why is that. surely reclocking aids the dac in every way?
 
also i use to use an intona with a modimultibit. it receives, reclocks and reproduces the signal by 100% and provides full galvanic isolation to usb high speed. when i tried it was outstanding. a lifelike addictive sound where the vocals became akin so real that someone was having a direct conversation with you. its doing something right so many praise it. its not instant night/day it takes time to understand its full potential. i was looking at options for my new hugo and intona comes top so far. it does not affect asynchrous usb operation of dac at all and is 100% transparent. i have no links to intona but im sure their website show very good measurements. optical negates control of dacs timing to computer.

 
Because the Mojo already has a very good low jitter master clock (what Rob Watts believes to be the best one for Mojo as it is higher quality than the external units / it took him 6 years to perfect and eliminate source jitter) and adding a separate one not only means you reclock twice but you also have the chance to add their own noise that they create to the system. Its the lower system noise floor / RF / EMI reduction that i believe to be the most important. The designer knows his dacs better than anyone so id go with that he thinks is best.
 
So i only use and iFi idefender 3.0 to remove ground loop noise from my PC and then from there a dual ferrite usb cable to Mojo. iFi is bringing out an iGalvanic but im not sure if this reclocks, they have too many of the same sort of product which can get confusing.
 
If you personally feel that the intona improves the sound then excellent enjoy it, im just trying to explain you dont need expensive reclockers for Mojo.

 

[maxh22]

   
Not yet i shoud have one in a month or 2
 
 
Because the Mojo already has a very good low jitter master clock (what Rob Watts believes to be the best one for Mojo as it is higher quality than the external units / it took him 6 years to perfect and eliminate source jitter) and adding a separate one not only means you reclock twice but you also have the chance to add their own noise that they create to the system. Its the lower system noise floor / RF / EMI reduction that i believe to be the most important. The designer knows his dacs better than anyone so id go with that he thinks is best.
 
So i only use and iFi idefender 3.0 to remove ground loop noise from my PC and then from there a dual ferrite usb cable to Mojo. iFi is bringing out an iGalvanic but im not sure if this reclocks, they have too many of the same sort of product which can get confusing.
 
If you personally feel that the intona improves the sound then excellent enjoy it, im just trying to explain you dont need expensive reclockers for Mojo.

Deftone, I think you are confusing the USB and Optical inputs when you mentioned the low jitter master clock, what you said above only applies to Optical. Rob took steps to reduce RF noise on the usb input but he could only do so much with Mojo since it was designed to be mobile and runs on battery. Mojo, just like practically every other dac in existance benefits from a clean sounding source. Don't get me wrong, I can listen and enjoy Mojo without the Intona, but once I add it in music just starts flowing and the sound goes from good to great 

 

[Deftone]

  Deftone, I think you are confusing the USB and Optical inputs when you mentioned the low jitter master clock, what you said above only applies to Optical. Rob took steps to reduce RF noise on the usb input but he could only do so much with Mojo since it was designed to be mobile and runs on battery. Mojo, just like practically every other dac in existance benefits from a clean sounding source. Don't get me wrong, I can listen and enjoy Mojo without the Intona, but once I add it in music just starts flowing and the sound goes from good to great 

 
i understand, its from memory so i could be wrong but im sure that i read a post from rob recommending not to use a usb reclocker for mojo as they a poor quality in comparison. (i think someone was asking about the Wyred4Sound usb recovery.)
 
i tried to find the quote but no luck 

 

[jonlad1]

Is there a reason using mojo with note 3+UAPP sounds much better (better soundstage, detail, etc) than using with my laptop+mojo driver+foobar?
 
Same tracks with the note 3 sound great and dont understand why...

 

[Deftone]

  Is there a reason using mojo with note 3+UAPP sounds much better (better soundstage, detail, etc) than using with my laptop+mojo driver+foobar?
 
Same tracks with the note 3 sound great and dont understand why...

 
You might have a really noisy laptop, does it sound smoother and less bright from your phone? 

 

[musickid]

Rob recommended intona to me. usb plus intona is better than optical due to small benefits of usb asynchrous timing was explained. not my words.

 

[jonlad1]

   
You might have a really noisy laptop, does it sound smoother and less bright from your phone? 

 
Yeah smoother, detail still there, more 3d, fuller (not the best at describing lol)
 
You'd think it would sound the same, I suppose the main difference is the mojo is using UAPPs driver opposed to mojos own windows driver on the laptop...

 

[maxh22]

   
i understand, its from memory so i could be wrong but im sure that i read a post from rob recommending not to use a usb reclocker for mojo as they a poor quality in comparison. (i think someone was asking about the Wyred4Sound usb recovery.)
 
i tried to find the quote but no luck 

He was talking about the W4S Remedy actually. It's a good reclocker but sadly it upsamples to 96khz which messes with the timing of the transients. 
 
Even though Rob put years of effort into eliminating source jitter, cleaner sources still result in audible improvements. Here is a review on Head-fi of the Spidif ipurifier, the op used it with a Chord Hugo and said "Everything was brought into a sharper focus, the bass became deeper, the cymbals crisper and there was a general greater level of silk smoothness to the music. It had better shape and definition, and a bigger soundstage, which in turn meant better separation." 
 
http://www.head-fi.org/products/ifi-spdif-ipurifier
 
The same thing could be said about Intona, it brings everything into focus and removes the haze that was otherwise there, that is why I recommend it to those interested.

 

[x RELIC x]

   
Yeah smoother, detail still there, more 3d, fuller (not the best at describing lol)
 
You'd think it would sound the same, I suppose the main difference is the mojo is using UAPPs driver opposed to mojos own windows driver on the laptop...

 
Rob talks a lot about noise getting in to the audio path, creating noise floor modulation, and spicing up the sound (like audio MSG - his words) and killing depth. That's the whole reason for people using USB cleaners in the path, to clean up noise in the audio path. What you report sounds like the battery powered phone is sending a cleaner signal with less noise. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the UAPP app if there is no EQ engaged and it's sending the signal bit-perfect.

 

[Music Alchemist]

Being that the mojo doesn't falsely present details do to perfect timing how could you make the sound better?

 
It's not perfect timing. The more expensive Chord DACs have progressively better timing accuracy. (But still not perfect.) That's one of their main selling points, what with the tap filter reconstruction algorithm thingamajiggers.
 

  Not yet i shoud have one in a month or 2

 
Oh, you're getting it that early? I thought you said you would have to save up for a lot longer.
 

The same thing could be said about Intona, it brings everything into focus and removes the haze that was otherwise there, that is why I recommend it to those interested.

 
I happen to be getting a Schiit Wyrd in a trade, so hopefully it'll be a nice addition to my system.

 

[jonlad1]

   
Rob talks a lot about noise getting in to the audio path, creating noise floor modulation, and spicing up the sound (like audio MSG - his words) and killing depth. That's the whole reason for people using USB cleaners in the path, to clean up noise in the audio path. What you report sounds like the battery powered phone is sending a cleaner signal with less noise. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the UAPP app if there is no EQ engaged and it's sending the signal bit-perfect.

 
Makes sense 

 
I really shouldnt be bothering listening to mojo via the laptop...

 

[WCDchee]

I don't know what the exact reason is, it might be the reclocking, or it might be the cleaner power, but the W4s recovery with a linear power supply does amazing things for my Hugo and mojo, everything is taken up a few notches, resolution, transparency, depth, you name it. All of a sudden the instruments and voices come to life, having a solid physical presence, Super focused pinpoint imaging and an incredible sense of space and depth, width and height.

 

[Riley Beale]

So do I not need a Mojo for use with my laptop and desktop computers?  Is it a waste?  My laptop is a little noisy.  I probably would not use a Mojo on the go with a dap most likely
 
Thank you
 
Riley

 

[jonlad1]

  So do I not need a Mojo for use with my laptop and desktop computers?  Is it a waste?  My laptop is a little noisy.  I probably would not use a Mojo on the go with a dap most likely
 
Thank you
 
Riley

 
It will undoubtedly sound better than your stock sound card, my situation is between my note 3 and my laptop - as always, YMMV