CHORD ELECTRONICS DAVE

[The Jester]

@Rob Watts check this out:


This guy was an engineer in Belden for over 30 years and his cables focus on getting time right, he has a ton of technical information and white papers, no snake oil with this guy.

Interesting article that one …seems to match the theory behind speaker construction and crossovers … time aligning drivers can be done by curving or raking back the front baffles or like a few have separate discrete enclosures for the various drivers, can also be time aligned via the crossover but then that adds more phase issues to minimise … follows that, getting the best out of well designed and constructed speakers where a lot of time and money has been spent to minimise timing and phase issues probably demands a bit “better” than 16g zip cord for the speaker cables
Probably even more important when using a source that minimises timing and phase errors ?

 

[Reactcore]

I forgot to post about my recent visit to @MvRBE10 's place. He actually made me start my cap mods after he let me hear his Farad3's stacked with Dave and the impact those give.

Now he has been burning in a new released set of Farad's latest model 10 attached to his Dave (10 says they can boost 10 Amps into a load) His Dave also has a part of my cap mods being the internal LM output dual caps changed for single setup.

Boy they look and sound impressive via his Pink Faun amps in Biamping setup to his Usher speakers.. Basslines are simply more refined and deeper reaching vs the F3's.
He took his his Sub out of his stack cause the main speakers can easily fill the low end rumble in their stead.
In the overall presentation instruments are better textured and pinpointed to their places in the scene.

The F10's have an option to decouple from earth which is what i also did on my simple external SMPS to prevent mains noise.

They use the same cabling as the Farad 3 units so connecting those is as simple.

Just highly recommended.

Will i get them too? Its really tempting for the looks alone ..but my wallet.. i will focus on my speakers first, having designed a newly adjustable bassreflex pipe to build in them.

 

[Mr X]

I forgot to post about my recent visit to @MvRBE10 's place. He actually made me start my cap mods after he let me hear his Farad3's stacked with Dave and the impact those give.

Now he has been burning in a new released set of Farad's latest model 10 attached to his Dave (10 says they can boost 10 Amps into a load) His Dave also has a part of my cap mods being the internal LM output dual caps changed for single setup.



Boy they look and sound impressive via his Pink Faun amps in Biamping setup to his Usher speakers.. Basslines are simply more refined and deeper reaching vs the F3's.
He took his his Sub out of his stack cause the main speakers can easily fill the low end rumble in their stead.
In the overall presentation instruments are better textured and pinpointed to their places in the scene.

The F10's have an option to decouple from earth which is what i also did on my simple external SMPS to prevent mains noise.

They use the same cabling as the Farad 3 units so connecting those is as simple.

Just highly recommended.

Will i get them too? Its really tempting for the looks alone ..but my wallet.. i will focus on my speakers first, having designed a newly adjustable bassreflex pipe to build in them.

Lovely set up. I really like the Dave on Choral stand.

Is there no Mscaler in this set up?

 

[Reactcore]

Lovely set up. I really like the Dave on Choral stand.

Is there no Mscaler in this set up?

He sold it, as it was giving an obvious woolyness on many tracks that i heard too when i was there earlier. I have posted about how i experienced that in the past. somehow on speakers it can be a miss to use it.

Now i have more insight into how it reacts to different recordings i learned to choose it in or out of my chain depending on the type and mastering of the track i listen to.

 

[thePhones]

He sold it, as it was giving an obvious woolyness on many tracks that i heard too when i was there earlier. I have posted about how i experienced that in the past. somehow on speakers it can be a miss to use it.

Now i have more insight into how it reacts to different recordings i learned to choose it in or out of my chain depending on the type and mastering of the track i listen to.

I never heard anything sound worse with the m scaler, not with speakers, not some recordings, never. If you have whoolyness in your room I recommend propper treatment or different speaker positioning. The M scaler makes it easier to hear lower bass notes which might make the lack of room treatment more obvious. I have tested the M scaler with old redordings, modern recordings, compressed podcasts and video games, with and without (lossy) eq. Never does it sound better without the M scaler. Maybe without scaler it sounds less engaging which some people might interpret as more relaxing… But then musical involvement is the reason in the first place to get chord gear.

 

[number1sixerfan]

I never heard anything sound worse with the m scaler, not with speakers, not some recordings, never. If you have whoolyness in your room I recommend propper treatment or different speaker positioning. The M scaler makes it easier to hear lower bass notes which might make the lack of room treatment more obvious. I have tested the M scaler with old redordings, modern recordings, compressed podcasts and video games, with and without (lossy) eq. Never does it sound better without the M scaler. Maybe without scaler it sounds less engaging which some people might interpret as more relaxing… But then musical involvement is the reason in the first place to get chord gear.

I'll defer to the both of them, but I think they're referring to mscaler w/DAVE after extensive upgrades only (PSU, cap mods, etc.). I've read a few posts detailing it before, but I think that's what he's referring to. Which would be a bit of a different case than the fully stock units.

 

[thePhones]

I'll defer to the both of them, but I think they're referring to mscaler w/DAVE after extensive upgrades only (PSU, cap mods, etc.). I've read a few posts detailing it before, but I think that's what he's referring to. Which would be a bit of a different case than the fully stock units.

If that‘s the case than that would be a very strong argument against the modifications.

 

[Digital Enigma]

I want speed, transient resolution, snap, sharpness and Impact plus depth, space and imaging, also instruments variation. Rob Watts is the only that delivers that for me.

You would of had to have tried every dac technology made to make a statement like that though.

 

[Digital Enigma]

not sure why everyone here needs to line up and stroke rob and pledge allegiance...

I get every company has its following but its enough to put you off.

 

[Digital Enigma]

You have to remember every DAC designer believes their way is the only way, bruno puttzeys, mike Moffat, rob watts and ed Meitner for example.

 

[thePhones]

I get every company has its following but its enough to put you off.

 

[Digital Enigma]

Ive got a chord dac but I also enjoy others.

 

[Reactcore]

I'll defer to the both of them, but I think they're referring to mscaler w/DAVE after extensive upgrades only (PSU, cap mods, etc.). I've read a few posts detailing it before, but I think that's what he's referring to. Which would be a bit of a different case than the fully stock units.

Yep thats about the right description.
A PSU treated Dave with robust current reserves at tap gets that much more dynamics and speed that it lets you instantly hear if the source has an issue, its own filters work on stereoids so to speak. It was no wrong room treatment when i heard this difference. but easily hearable imo with modern musics and speakers mostly.

As always it must be heard to be understood. Dont compare this using bypass on the scaler as that doesnt take this wooly effect away when its there.
We heard huge difference comparing the scaler in bypass vs toslink direct into Dave with volume -3db Matched. On his former TT2 he didnt heard this and that combo seemed better complementing each other.

Dont get me wrong ..im not burning the scaler.. why would i, i love it specially connected via dual optics.
I find it adding utter reality to the right records specially on my headphones on which Dave alone then sounds flatter with less depth and space awareness. But Dave alone being PSU treated is capable of more than one might think. And im not talking about using an LPS for having better RF filtering (this is what Rob talks about) but for its stable voltage by means of capacity reserves. On which i focussed with my mods.

But oh well i must be tiresome keeping repeating my words..

 

[Playtron]

I get every company has its following but its enough to put you off.

yeah many nutters here. can't have a reasonable discussion.

 

[shaylin3]

yeah many nutters here. can't have a reasonable discussion.

Okay, everything you said is right
It's time to move on, don't wallow in the quagmire