May 6, 2025 at 11:12 PM Post #27,001 of 27,088
I rather doubt that...

I think Chord have had their fingers well and truly burnt with streaming devices.

Plus, if this mystery device was designed by JF, it's probably not digital in nature. He strikes me more as an analogue man. 😀
 
May 11, 2025 at 8:16 PM Post #27,004 of 27,088
The HF filter changes the original data within the audio bandwidth, so it will certainly 'fail' on a null test. But that doesn't mean it fails perceptively. To give an example - I tested the (note not the same filter as Dave) IIR bandwidth limiting filter with one of my decimation filters for the ADC, which eliminates everything above 20k, but is completely flat with zero phase shift up to 20k. With the decimation filter in place, you could hear the effects of the IIR filter easily, as usual. But with the decimation filter working, you could hear no difference at all. This proved that the phase and amplitude shifts of the IIR filter (which are significant in the audio bandwidth) are not perceptively important. This proved that a -1dB or so at 20k with attendant phase shifts are inaudible (at least to my old ears) and that the SQ changes of bandwidth limiting filters are due to reducing out of band noise above 50k and hence reducing noise floor modulation - which is at unmeasurable levels either way.
Coming back to this post, I'm wondering if the HF filter in your DACs is interacting with the noise-shaper outputs.

As I understand it, each WTA stage has a noise shaper. So, wouldn't a HF filter set to low-pass somewhere below 100KHz have an adverse effect upon the noise-shaped data? The shaped noise is there to reduce quantisation noise in the audio band, but the HF filter is curbing the shaped noise, therefore it's undoing at least some of the benefits for quantisation noise, isn't it?
 
May 11, 2025 at 9:35 PM Post #27,005 of 27,088
Coming back to this post, I'm wondering if the HF filter in your DACs is interacting with the noise-shaper outputs.

As I understand it, each WTA stage has a noise shaper. So, wouldn't a HF filter set to low-pass somewhere below 100KHz have an adverse effect upon the noise-shaped data? The shaped noise is there to reduce quantisation noise in the audio band, but the HF filter is curbing the shaped noise, therefore it's undoing at least some of the benefits for quantisation noise, isn't it?
Something is definitely going on, I hear more air on filter one in the TT-2 and the highs seem more prominent, a nice edge to them is more obvious on Filter 1 and I hear slightly more depth, Filter 2 is more laid back and seems to tone down things, smoother, but lacks that visceral nature of 1. I may stick with filter 1 going forward, even the manual calls it "the reference."
 
May 15, 2025 at 5:17 AM Post #27,009 of 27,088
May 15, 2025 at 8:15 AM Post #27,010 of 27,088
Confirmed, see Facebook.
Confirmed, see Facebook.

Confirmed, see Facebook.
Wow! Exactly what I and most others here I suspect ,do NOT need, a Super Premium Priced , Phonostage. I have hundreds of LPs many with both very well performed and well recorded Western Classical Music ,but I rarely play LPs these days. I have an LP system that is already good enough to reveal that the medium itself, VINYL can be "a bit of a limiting factor" in some respects compared even to my humble to my Qutest/Mscaler based digital one.
I wonder what Rob who has stated here that vinyl sounds "nothing like the real thing"at least once if my memory serves me right thinks of that Ultima release?
" You can't squeeze more than a pint out of a pint bottle" leaps to mind, once again.
Any disappointed "Quartet" players around? No "Quartet" in sight?
PS. I heard Gustav Mahler's Mighty 9th Symphony LIVE last night. No HIFI system, analogue or digital I have ever auditioned gets even close to hearing it LIVE.
Cheers CC
 
May 15, 2025 at 8:41 AM Post #27,011 of 27,088
In fact Rob has not given any more updates.

I would be very sorry to see CHORD decide not to put it into production or to pair it only with the Utima DAC...
 
May 15, 2025 at 7:55 PM Post #27,013 of 27,088
I think the phono stage and the quartet are very probably on entirely separate development paths.

So it is unlikely that the appearance of the phono stage will impact the eventual release of the quartet.
 
May 16, 2025 at 3:46 AM Post #27,014 of 27,088
I think the phono stage and the quartet are very probably on entirely separate development paths.

So it is unlikely that the appearance of the phono stage will impact the eventual release of the quartet.
Certainly different product ranges.

Quartet will be an internal development project for Rob, the phono stage will be an internal development project for Chord.
 
May 16, 2025 at 3:05 PM Post #27,015 of 27,088
I think the phono stage and the quartet are very probably on entirely separate development paths.

So it is unlikely that the appearance of the phono stage will impact the eventual release of the quartet.

Additionally, while the phono stage may not be of as much interest for many Head-Fi folks, it is entirely possible that it is in high demand by their 2-channel customers. My 2-channel system hasn't been getting a lot of attention lately, but I'd love to hear that phono preamp in it.

But yeah, I can't imagine they are on the same dev path.
 
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