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Mar 1, 2017 at 2:42 AM Post #7,771 of 27,068
I have to report this good news here. I've tried an ifi USB3.0 between mac and Dave and wanted to see if it improves any SQ.
 
It did improved slightly to my ear.
 
And a great side-product, DSD2566 now works beautifully with the the ifi in between...guess I will be more likely keep the Dave.
 
Now the last thing is PCM+/DSD+ mode switching, I hope Chord will improve this in the future firmware update? For now maybe I will live like one full night plays PCM only and DSD the other day....
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 6:53 AM Post #7,772 of 27,068
evolvist said:
   
The truth is, and no joke, with advances that Chord has been making (and I know I'm not alone), people have been wondering if they should go the route of getting a Hugo2 + M-Scaler and perhaps saving a little money for the time being. But the thing is, I can't shake myself away from the DAVE, and it's not because of the cost.
 
I'm not sure how DAVE sounds with the M-Scaler, or even the Hugo2 for that matter, but it's DAVE that I feel will carry the day, because Chord isn't going to just let their flagship flounder. It's galvanically isolated; it has the noise shapers and filters like no other, so, in short, I just can't see myself parting with the DAVE. It's not even a status thing. Not even close. However, I've got to say, when I bring my DAVE over for listening parties and put it in other people's systems, it never fails that the crowd goes wild for it.
 
I'm not trying to sell you on the thing; I just don't think you would regret it. "Regret" would be me going for a lesser product, even if it's still in the Chord line.
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I know of someone who has compared the two directly, H+M and D, and the results were mixed. In some cases the H+M sounded better, and in others the D sounded better. The former has more taps, but the Dave has more processing power, a better power supply, and a better analog output stage.
 
H+M and D are rather close in price, too.
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 7:24 AM Post #7,773 of 27,068
jelt2359 said:
  I know of someone who has compared the two directly, H+M and D, and the results were mixed. In some cases the H+M sounded better, and in others the D sounded better. The former has more taps, but the Dave has more processing power, a better power supply, and a better analog output stage.
 
H+M and D are rather close in price, too.
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Couldn't he or she post the comparison in detail here?
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 9:33 AM Post #7,775 of 27,068
analogmusic said:
did anyone get to hear the Mscaler at Bristol 2017? Not a single report on this..... why?
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I'm sure I saw a post from someone saying it was a disaster . . . . . . . . . . for his wallet. (Paraphrasing)
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 12:14 PM Post #7,777 of 27,068
Mar 1, 2017 at 3:38 PM Post #7,778 of 27,068
analogmusic said:
did anyone get to hear the Mscaler at Bristol 2017? Not a single report on this..... why?
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Maybe not many people in the UK are interested in a cd transport? Because it's 2017 and they play their music from one of those computer thingies? Now if it actually was an MScaler, rather than a cd transport, I'd have travelled to Bristol myself...
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 4:03 PM Post #7,779 of 27,068
andrewold said:
Maybe not many people in the UK are interested in a cd transport? Because it's 2017 and they play their music from one of those computer thingies? Now if it actually was an MScaler, rather than a cd transport, I'd have travelled to Bristol myself...
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You are sounding like a broken record on this matter. We all know your views on the matter so perhaps you can give it a break.

BTW - I was at the show to listen to Hugo2.

However, I enjoyed listening to the Blu2 into Dave into large PMC speakers in Chord's listening room - boy does that system sound good. There was no chance to compare Dave alone versus it being fed by Blu2.
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 5:06 PM Post #7,780 of 27,068
highfell said:
At the Bristol show yesterday, a Chord employee said that the M Scaler in the Blu2 upscales using 1M taps (not 500K) and then passes that digital signal to Dave and Dave's 164K taps
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What is the truth then? It's been said before that much of the DAVE is now dormant with the Blu2 in the chain. I, for one, don't want to believe this, but what does Chord say?

(Note my wishful thinking.)
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 5:26 PM Post #7,781 of 27,068
evolvist said:
What is the truth then? It's been said before that much of the DAVE is now dormant with the Blu2 in the chain. I, for one, don't want to believe this, but what does Chord say?

(Note my wishful thinking.)
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I have tried to find the post explaining it. It is 1 million taps in total, but I am sure that this is split between the Blu2 and DAVE. Blu2 does substitute for the initial upscaling stages in DAVE, leaving these redundant, but the final upscaling is performed by the DAVE. However this seems to contradict what @highfell heard
 
Here is that post which I kept visualising. http://www.head-fi.org/t/766517/chord-electronics-dave/7455#post_13234615
So it seems like the Blu2 does 1M taps of upscaling, then feeds the signal into the DAVE after the initial 16 ufs stage of upscaling, and the rest of the DAVE upscaling is still used. So a portion of DAVE will be dormant, but I think it relates to only a small portion of DAVE, rather than the majority.
 
That also helps explain why the Blu2 + hugo 2 will achieve less overall taps than the Blu2 + DAVE.
 
Mar 1, 2017 at 5:28 PM Post #7,782 of 27,068
evolvist said:
What is the truth then? It's been said before that much of the DAVE is now dormant with the Blu2 in the chain. I, for one, don't want to believe this, but what does Chord say?

(Note my wishful thinking.)
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It seems utterly crazy.

A Blu2 and a DAVE would mean (for many people) an unused cd transport in the Blu2 that you have to pay a lot of money for and 164k unused taps in the DAVE that you paid a lot of money for.

Somehow I don't feel this is the right way to treat customers, or to get them.
 
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