[Mojo ideas]

Getting both 4Me

2go and 2yu sounds good 2me
sorry just had a little chuckle about that

 

[Mojo ideas]

I am surprised by no 5GHz, but I expect the rationale is the same as for the Poly.

Rob explained the root cause for the Mojo RFI a while ago. The world has moved on from 2g phone transmission, except when the signal strength becomes very poor in some locations.

I don’t know how many times we have to state this, but 5 GHz WiFi does not penetrate concrete walls such as those in apartments or have the distance capabilities that 2.4GHz WiFi does! It is not an omission in the design it is a reasoned logical choice that or team made.

 

[Amberlamps]

Great. The more of us that put pressure on Chord for a sensible one box solution the more likely they are to do it in quick time. And dont believe anybody who says it isn’t possible, will cost too much, no one will want it blah blah. When the Blu2 came out and I and others argued there should be a stand alone M Scaler everyone said it wasn’t possible, and even if it was it would cost the same, and even if it didn’t it would take years blah blah. Well, I was right - Chord brought out the M Scaler at way less than half the cost of the Blu2, improved the RF issues, and did so quickly.

Rob goes on over and over again about the importance of the simplest possible signal path. How on earth is taking the USB output of the 2Go through another box full of processors, converters etc, simple?

At times I wonder what makes Chord tick , I mean, 1 grand for a simple portable streamer which can be bought for far less from other audio related companies, and then £500 for a box of outputs??? £1500 for all that ???

I mean, in comparison, my nuc, it's vastly more powerful and can do lots of different things and it also comes in a "aircraft grade aluminum" ( there is no such thing ) case and even that didn't cost £1500, and it also has the advantage of being able to live stream porn.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching at chord, if I still had my Hugo 2 I would of been one of the first to place an order for 2go ( I wanted one for ages ), but I think chord had a great opportunity to make 2go and 2yu a one box solution, but they chose not to.

 

[Amberlamps]

I don’t know how many times we have to state this, but 5 GHz WiFi does not penetrate concrete walls such as those in apartments or have the distance capabilities that 2.4GHz WiFi does! It is not an omission in the design it is a reasoned logical choice that or team made.

Putting the 5ghz wifi debate aside.

How is the Corona Virus going to affect Chords yearly tour of Asia, is canjam and other asian events going to be cancelled ?

 

[AndrewOld]

I don’t know how many times we have to state this, but 5 GHz WiFi does not penetrate concrete walls such as those in apartments or have the distance capabilities that 2.4GHz WiFi does! It is not an omission in the design it is a reasoned logical choice that or team made.

Where I live it is 2020 and pretty much all devices support 5GHz and 2.4GHz. The trade-offs between the two are well understood by companies like Apple, Samsung and LG. 5GHz offers higher bandwidth, better resistance to competing devices, but less range. All over the world hundreds of millions of phones, computers, printers, TVs and sundry devices, including the laptop that feeds my M Scaler/DAVE are happily working robustly at 5GHz, through walls and floors. Modern mesh networks extend wifi coverage over large areas. I don’t believe any other manufacturer of a wireless product in 2020 would make a “reasoned choice” to exclude 5GHz, because there is no good reason not to have it. Your “reasoned choice” has caused lots of frustration and aggravation for Poly customers as can be seen from the many posts in the Poly thread. If you live in a thick walled castle on a hill with no neighbors and cook over a wood fire 2.4GHz is fine. If you’ve got neighbors, use a microwave oven, have a cordless phone 5GHz is an option you should be able to use.

 

[Christer]

Well for example how will Chord spin the fact that you need a 2Yu to access the USB out of the 2Go for any other DAC than a Hugo2? How will they spin the omission of 5GHz Wi-FI?

As for RFI .. well it’s a known problem putting some phones near Mojos and Polys, and look at all the M Scaler/DAVE/Hugo/TT2 threads for the thousands of pounds worth of RFI treatments and cables that folk are connecting to and between Chord products. Will such things be advocated for these new products?

I doubt there would be any need for RFI treatments with the "2GO used only with an H2.
But I can say that where I am right now I REALLY wish I had brought my Wave BNC cables to connect between my Qutest and Mscaler.
After living with the Storm for a long time it is quite a shock to hear how much worse things sound with the stock BNC I only brought for a month in Thailand.

I had to pack really light for a supercheap 250€ one month return flight and now strongly regret not packing that heavy snake instead of clothes I don't really need here in the tropics.
"The surface on the icing on the cake" take from Rob is an understatement indeed. The difference good RFI shielding makes to SQ and musical enjoyment is MUCH bigger than so IMHO.
At least here in my condo.
Cheers CC

 

[stretchneck]

2go and 2yu sounds good 2me
sorry just had a little chuckle about that

In additon to this a solid signal on 2.4GHz is easily enough for DSD over wifi, so it is a good design decision. 5GHz is just not required.

 

[Triode User]

I doubt there would be any need for RFI treatments with the "2GO used only with an H2.
But I can say that where I am right now I REALLY wish I had brought my Wave BNC cables to connect between my Qutest and Mscaler.
After living with the Storm for a long time it is quite a shock to hear how much worse things sound with the stock BNC I only brought for a month in Thailand.

I had to pack really light for a supercheap 250€ one month return flight and now strongly regret not packing that heavy snake instead of clothes I don't really need here in the tropics.
"The surface on the icing on the cake" take from Rob is an understatement indeed. The difference good RFI shielding makes to SQ and musical enjoyment is MUCH bigger than so IMHO.
At least here in my condo.
Cheers CC

Christer I had a chuckle with your post. It is all a matter of priorities. In my early days of skiing I used to pack my outdoor skiing clothes in with my skis in the long ski bag together with a few changes of underpants. My other 'evening' clothes were just what I wore on the plane.

One is only young once!

 

[ZappaMan]

In additon to this a solid signal on 2.4GHz is easily enough for DSD over wifi, so it is a good design decision. 5GHz is just not required.

I personally cannot stream dsd to poly on 2.4 g, but maybe it’s my house, but I don’t think so.

 

[stretchneck]

I personally cannot stream dsd to poly on 2.4 g, but maybe it’s my house, but I don’t think so.

I use Netgear Orbi so very fast ‘backbone’ for my Wi-Fi connections, I then just have a cheap TPlink 850RE 802.11n access point which I use as a bridge to provide ethernet out to my streamer (couple of metres cat 5 cable helps to distance the WiFi access point from the audio equipment). I consistently get over 100 megabits per second (i.e as good as wired 100mbps ethernet). So anyway, what I am suggesting is that it’s the Orbi mesh system that allows this type of performance on 2.4 ghz - DSD no problems. I am sure that without Orbi then yes it may well be problematic. Free routers provided by telecomms companies would probably not cut the mustard.

If like me you can’t go for wired ethernet then give it a go - should enable dsd and no dropped connections to Poly. Netgear AC3000 is also very good If you don’t want to go full Orbi, you can also keep all of your credentials as per your main router as it acts as a mesh system.

Auralic make similar recommendation for their old Aries Wireless Streaming Bridge. DSD64 and DSD128 over WiFi, Auralic recommends using a router with 802.11n MIMO support. So 5GHz isn't strictly needed, but you have to have a very good / robust 802.11n system to maintain high/constant bitrate. They recommend 'high end' Netgear routers like I have.

 

[dontfeedphils]

Where I live it is 2020 and pretty much all devices support 5GHz and 2.4GHz. The trade-offs between the two are well understood by companies like Apple, Samsung and LG. 5GHz offers higher bandwidth, better resistance to competing devices, but less range. All over the world hundreds of millions of phones, computers, printers, TVs and sundry devices, including the laptop that feeds my M Scaler/DAVE are happily working robustly at 5GHz, through walls and floors. Modern mesh networks extend wifi coverage over large areas. I don’t believe any other manufacturer of a wireless product in 2020 would make a “reasoned choice” to exclude 5GHz, because there is no good reason not to have it. Your “reasoned choice” has caused lots of frustration and aggravation for Poly customers as can be seen from the many posts in the Poly thread. If you live in a thick walled castle on a hill with no neighbors and cook over a wood fire 2.4GHz is fine. If you’ve got neighbors, use a microwave oven, have a cordless phone 5GHz is an option you should be able to use.

Definitely agree, but after spending time in the Poly thread when it first started up I learned that questioning Chord's decisions, especially to "MojoIdeas", gets you absolutely nowhere, and usually garners ridicule or condescension.

 

[aspro]

2go and 2yu sounds good 2me
sorry just had a little chuckle about that

I'm glad to see@Mojoideas enjoying the banter.

Perhaps he would be kind enough to enlighten us on the following:-

Hugo2 owners have naturally welcomed the 2Go. The 2Go/2Yu connoction seems to have receiced a universally tepid response (over-priced, wires in 3 directions and a set of control buttons with two different legends). I complained to my dealer. His response : buy an Auralic Altair G1! Why didn't Chord produce a proper desktop streamer in a Qutest/Huei case?

Why shouldn't those of us who just want to connect a 2Go to our Qutests using USB feel ripped off by having to pay £450 for an adaptor?

Will the 2YuGo combo still work when the 2Go's battery inevitably fails?

Opinion seems divided on the SD card/server functionality. I think it's a great feature. It avoids the need for a NAS and switch and would nicely replace my Auralic Aries Mini with internal SSD.

 

[TKpurple]

I'm glad to see@Mojoideas enjoying the banter.

Perhaps he would be kind enough to enlighten us on the following:-

Hugo2 owners have naturally welcomed the 2Go. The 2Go/2Yu connoction seems to have receiced a universally tepid response (over-priced, wires in 3 directions and a set of control buttons with two different legends). I complained to my dealer. His response : buy an Auralic Altair G1! Why didn't Chord produce a proper desktop streamer in a Qutest/Huei case?

Why shouldn't those of us who just want to connect a 2Go to our Qutests using USB feel ripped off by having to pay £450 for an adaptor?

Will the 2YuGo combo still work when the 2Go's battery inevitably fails?

Opinion seems divided on the SD card/server functionality. I think it's a great feature. It avoids the need for a NAS and switch and would nicely replace my Auralic Aries Mini with internal SSD.

 

[GreenBow]

2Go or not 2go. … That is up 2Yu.

Getting both 4Me

Yeah, another product range from John Frankspear.

 

[TKpurple]

Hugo 2 and mscaler owners also welcome 2yu as much as 2go at least some of them... I purchased hugo2 almost two years ago because 2go was in works.