[brat]

Has anyone (except me and spritzer

) tried carbon interconnects?
Your impressions?

 

[furball]

Carbon, in its various forms,

1) Graphite
2) Diamond
3) Carbon fibers
4) Buckey ball


I wasn't aware that carbon is a good conductor of electricity in any of these forms.

 

[markl]

I've tried a few with carbon conductors as a part of the design (they may also have additional silver or copper in them). The sound is unique and tends to be very smooth and balanced, quite grainless and very pleasant to listen to, while retaining a healthy neutrality tonally.

 

[Jahvetti]

I have been using Van Den Hul The FIRSTs for a some time. I second what markl said about the sound.

 

[chesebert]

agree; I have the grover Sc (c stands for carbon IIRC) and its very balanced and extended, maybe tilt to the warmer side of the scale, just barely

 

[dura]

I've used the First and still use the first Ultimate. In my set then the First sounded dull, rolled-off, lifeless, probably because of the high resstance in combination with my components, others reported different things. I now have the Ultimate; an open sound with deep controlled bass and extended treble (IMO the spots where cables tensd to differ). Cmpared to my favorite, Kimber Silver Streak, they sound remarkably alike, open, dynamic and detailed, but th Kimber has slightly sweeter treble and sounds more 'together'.
I'm sure in other sets the results could be different. Anyway, the Ultimate seems like a good cable for a relatively friensdly price (compared to other 'high-end' cables, which are all overpiced IMO).

 

[majid]

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Originally Posted by furball /img/forum/go_quote.gif Carbon, in its various forms, 1) Graphite 2) Diamond 3) Carbon fibers 4) Buckey ball I wasn't aware that carbon is a good conductor of electricity in any of these forms.

There are more carbon allotropes. Graphite is a good conductor and is used in arc lamps. The brushes used in old-fashioned DC motors are also made of carbon.

 

[DarkAngel]

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesebert /img/forum/go_quote.gif agree; I have the grover Sc (c stands for carbon IIRC) and its very balanced and extended, maybe tilt to the warmer side of the scale, just barely

CB
I sent email to Grover about purchasing a pair of his latest SC interconnect cables, still using Grover S (black mesh jacket) ICs and speaker cables from over 1 year ago

Long ago when Grover and Mike Wolff were working together they had a cable called the Empress that featured a carbon design, I still have it and find it very silky smooth in its presentation.

 

[883dave]

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkAngel /img/forum/go_quote.gif CB I sent email to Grover about purchasing a pair of his latest SC interconnect cables, still using Grover S (black mesh jacket) ICs and speaker cables from over 1 year ago Long ago when Grover and Mike Wolff were working together they had a cable called the Empress that featured a carbon design, I still have it and find it very silky smooth in its presentation.

Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "silky smooth"

 

[gotchaforce]

Quote:

Originally Posted by markl /img/forum/go_quote.gif I've tried a few with carbon conductors as a part of the design (they may also have additional silver or copper in them). The sound is unique and tends to be very smooth and balanced, quite grainless and very pleasant to listen to, while retaining a healthy neutrality tonally.

What does grainless mean??

 

[DarkAngel]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 883dave /img/forum/go_quote.gif Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "silky smooth"

Like listening to Senn 650 headphones, full rich flowing relaxed sound without emphasis in treble region. Produces less treble grain, harshness and edginess when playing average sounding Cds, seems to be removing some noise/distortion other cables can pass along.

Not sure what elements of old Empress cable used carbon.......

 

[Nebby]

Quote:

Originally Posted by furball /img/forum/go_quote.gif Carbon, in its various forms, 1) Graphite 2) Diamond 3) Carbon fibers 4) Buckey ball I wasn't aware that carbon is a good conductor of electricity in any of these forms.

Graphite is conductive, I've used standard lead pencils to repair broken traces in emergency situations before.

Diamonds are not electrically conductive, though they are great at thermal conductivity.

Carbon fiber without the epoxy insulating it can also be conductive, when working with carbon fiber you have to be aware that the carbon dust can cause shorts in equipment if you are not careful. It also ranks right up there with fiberglass in terms of annoyance to work with.

Bucky balls.....I know nothing about, aside from the cool models that are used to show their structure (I think?).

 

[markl]

Quote:

What does grainless mean??

You have no idea what "grainless" means?

Lacking grain. As in having none, being bereft of, devoid of.

 

[meat01]

Quote:

Originally Posted by markl /img/forum/go_quote.gif You have no idea what "grainless" means? Lacking grain. As in having none, being bereft of, devoid of.

I believe he is asking what grain is in the audio realm.

 

[markl]

LOL, I know that, I'm just tweaking him.


If he doesn't know (or wants to pretend he can't imagine) what "grain" is.....

There's a link somewhere on this site to a couple of dictionaries that explain audiophile jargon. He's a noob and should look them up so he can get up to speed.

But that's not his game. He's going to claim there's no such thing as the phenomenon described by the term "grain" and will shortly ask us for the test and equipment which measures it.