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I think that FR is more likely to play a part only if the transducers are positioned similarly. Things get more complex with IEMs.
Can you graph sound stage?
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josh0001
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Definitely the soundstage gets better on the 580 but they "lose" the timbre most people like in the 6xx and so on
Redcarmoose
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https://audiojudgement.com/cumulative-spectral-decay-csd-plot
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/tutorials/how-to-interpret-graphs/csdwaterfall-spectrum/
There is a relationship between CSD plots and imaging/soundstage. An example would be the HD800. While it has a different amount of popularity among users here, no one will deny the imaging and soundstage are incredible. This is shown in HD800 CSD plots, partially!
Obviously FR does come into play too, but think about the source file. The room feeling and reverberated elements add to the sense of soundstage. Basically every part of the audio path has an influence. The DAC, the amplifier, a obviously the headphone/IEM.
But in relation to the soundstage impressions due to frequency response.....IEM tips make a difference too. A narrow bore will enhance bass frequency. A wide bore will enhance soundstage it seems, along with the extra treble energy. Note where the nozzle tip rests, at times it can be far buried in back of a long nozzle, or pushed up right at the end. This haves a dramatic influence on the spreading out of sound/soundstage in an IEM.
But the style of FR limits the soundstage, where a heavy bass seems to overpower the midrange; it’s that treble and midrange that push the imaging out further. That’s maybe why soundstage is more noticeable with more midcentric IEMs and headphones?
The two that come to mind are the AKG k701 and HD800. Both limited in low end!
Besides both being known for soundstage they are also both notorious for their midrange and treble peaks. That combination with bass reduction adds to soundstage.
Edit:
Take the above with a grain of salt. This was what I learned from a short Tyll Hertsens........lecture where he incorporated some of it.
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/tutorials/how-to-interpret-graphs/csdwaterfall-spectrum/
There is a relationship between CSD plots and imaging/soundstage. An example would be the HD800. While it has a different amount of popularity among users here, no one will deny the imaging and soundstage are incredible. This is shown in HD800 CSD plots, partially!
Obviously FR does come into play too, but think about the source file. The room feeling and reverberated elements add to the sense of soundstage. Basically every part of the audio path has an influence. The DAC, the amplifier, a obviously the headphone/IEM.
But in relation to the soundstage impressions due to frequency response.....IEM tips make a difference too. A narrow bore will enhance bass frequency. A wide bore will enhance soundstage it seems, along with the extra treble energy. Note where the nozzle tip rests, at times it can be far buried in back of a long nozzle, or pushed up right at the end. This haves a dramatic influence on the spreading out of sound/soundstage in an IEM.
But the style of FR limits the soundstage, where a heavy bass seems to overpower the midrange; it’s that treble and midrange that push the imaging out further. That’s maybe why soundstage is more noticeable with more midcentric IEMs and headphones?
The two that come to mind are the AKG k701 and HD800. Both limited in low end!
Besides both being known for soundstage they are also both notorious for their midrange and treble peaks. That combination with bass reduction adds to soundstage.
Edit:
Take the above with a grain of salt. This was what I learned from a short Tyll Hertsens........lecture where he incorporated some of it.
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