| Originally Posted by Akathriel Anybody got experience with these? 6moons said some people like them and some people don't but they barely touched on what it is people like about these filters and what isn't likeable about them. |
| Originally Posted by JohnFerrier Audio guru John Curl indicates that they clean up the sound through some sort of quantum magic |
| Originally Posted by EdipisReks quantum mechanics is a very well understood subject (if it wasn't your computer wouldn't work), so i would like to see an explanation of the supposed effect. i doubt that one will ever be forthcoming, but i know a couple physicists who i could run it by if one is ever released. |
| Originally Posted by EdipisReks quantum mechanics is a very well understood subject (if it wasn't your computer wouldn't work), so i would like to see an explanation of the supposed effect. i doubt that one will ever be forthcoming, but i know a couple physicists who i could run it by if one is ever released. |
| Originally Posted by gsteinb88 Just a little digression here but, quantum computing is no where near invented, let alone used in modern day computers. -g |
| Originally Posted by Akathriel Anybody got experience with these? 6moons said some people like them and some people don't but they barely touched on what it is people like about these filters and what isn't likeable about them. |
| Originally Posted by omedon You can make your own on the cheap ~$5-20 They look REALLY simple to make. There is a recipe over on audiotweaks.com |
| Originally Posted by Jon L Some people don't like what Bybees do in analogue signal path, such as interconnects and speaker cable. The most commonly heard complaint is that treble extension/quantity is shelved down a little, leading to more midrange-centric, fuller sound, at the cost of treble air/detail. It's my opinion that Bybees work very well when used judiciously in series with incoming power, such as in series at the IEC power inlet or in power conditioners. In such applications, Bybees really gives you a quiet, velvety black background. Some people also swear by Bybees in digital cable applications as well. |
| rick e 11-15-04, 01:41 PM I'm posting this here since there was a question recently regarding the devices. I'm not posting this as an endorsement nor to, I hope, violate Mr Bybee's property rights. Hopefull this will shed some light on the product, but I doubt it. Some time ago I bought 28 bybee devices in a power buy with Steve Bruzonsky. It was a mix of large and small devices. I recently sent in my 4 amps to my designer/builder for some work. I also sent along the bybee devices after I had them cryoed. I've decided to withhold the identity of my amp guy but suffice to say he holds numerous patents, advanced degrees and i've been working with him for about 20 years now. One of his main claims to fame is that he solved a major problem the chip manufacturing industry was having recently in manufacturing the latest chips. I'm not a physicist, but if I remember right the small size of the circuit traces were so small that molecular vibrations were lowering the accuracy of the manufacturing process. Unfortunately I lost the email in which he described this in a virus crash. Apparently much of what he was involved in has applications to audio. He also produced a terrific amp whose design was shown to a major amp manufacturer about 15 years ago. The amp company passed on him but produced a similar design shortly thereafter. Anyway... Here's a slightly altered email he sent me "Hey Rick, I received you package. I went to the DIY Bybe link as you suggested. I dissassembled the undipped high current device, removing the copper endcaps. The device consists of a .0125 ohm resistor located inside of a ceramic tube that has been electro plated on the outside to act as a contact to deposit a film on and to be able to solder the copper endcaps too. The two ends of the tube/contact surface are isolated from each other. A black conductive film is deposited between the ends; over the two isolated contact surfaces. The film has a DC resistance of approximately 10 ohms. I haven't, will tomorrow, gotten a look at the black film under a high mag scope, but Im curious as to what it might be... Basically this is a filter. I'm going to see what it does by feeding it with white noise at different DC current levels and see what effect it might have in the audible bandwidth. I can hook them up in the best implementation as suggested on the Bybee site in the Amp. The only place I might have an issue with is the input signal ground. Depending on what I see when I test the device, I might not want to insert it there." Here's email #2 "Rick, I got the Amp finished yesterday and back into the system last night... Very interesting, in fact I was quite surprised by it. I won't go into what I'm hearing until I've listened more, and maybe you don't want to hear the ending until you've listened yourself, your call there. I will say the effect is not subtle and on first listen, positive and perceptible at both low and high levels. I installed 2 HC devices on the power mains going into the transformer, 4 HCs on the DC rails to the output stages, 4 LC devices to the front-end DC power, 2 LC devices the inputs to the drive boards, and 2 HC devices to the amp outputs. None in either the input or output grounds. The fit and finish of the install is excellent and it was interesting doing this again. I took pictures of the work and can send you a picture of the finished chimney if you don't mind an 800K Jpg file filling your inbox. The rest I'll dump onto a CD and send along with the amp when it returns. I did get a look at it under a microscope. Basically it looks like a ceramic tube with a plating applied that makes the tube conductive and allows solder to flow where the end-caps are attached on either end of the tube. A .0125 ohm 5-watt resistor is located inside the tube with its leads extending through (and soldered to) the copper end caps that are also soldered to the ends of the ceramic tube as just described; standard stuff for military electronics construction. This conductive coating on the tube does not extend from end to end of the tube, but definitely makes connection to the first layer of film. There appears to be three film coatings deposited on the outside of the tube. The first is a thin black film, the second is a heavier more textured film and there appears to be a clear coat on top. The different layers are discernable under magnification when looking at the edges of the coated area. I'll assume that it's difficult and not necessary to apply the films with higher precision. The resistance from one end to the other (without the resistor inside connected from) is 10.9 ohms. I can read a direct connection from one edge to the first conductive layer and checking between two points shows this layer to be low resistance. Checking the resistance from the solder on the tube ends to the second layer gives a reading of approximately 13 ohms and it is pretty consistent across the length of the coated area. The clear coat is (I believe non conductive) thinner one end and it's easier to get a reading through it compared to the thicker end. This is probably due to the way the coating is applied, not part of the device operation. So to summarize, we have a low value resistor (1/100th the value of the film) parallel by a film of unknown makeup, deposited on top of a low resistance conductive film with a protective coat applied; kind of like the plates in a capacitor, only conductive. A piece of Teflon film is glued to the outside as protection. It appears that a portion (1% ?) of the signal passing through the resistor is shunted through this film. A better understanding would help when determining how and where to apply the devices. I don't mind you sharing my thoughts, although I'd wouldn't want to get Mr Bybee thinking I'm trying to reverse engineer and steal his device. I would be more interested in seeing him develop smaller devices for lower current applications and small signal applications to apply in the signal path. I'm a bit confused with the contention that one design works equally well for DC supplies, AC supplies and small and large signal applications, with the only differentiation being the max current, which is based on the leads melting. My guess is that the devices could be customized to the signal level and the circuit application conditions." Food for thought and debate Rick ps if anyone thinks i'm violating of Mr Bybee's rights here I'll immediately remove this post. |
