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Titan with its massive storage would be perfect deal with reduced price. I wish I had money to get one
Yes, probably you should go for Titan. Or else, buy more mini SDs.
Titan with its massive storage would be perfect deal with reduced price. I wish I had money to get one
Yes, probably you should go for Titan. Or else, buy more mini SDs.
By the time I have money to buy Titan, I am not sure they will be still selling it, we will see :happy_face1:
What are you using right now Ozan?
What I find REALLY disappointing and IMHO not good business conduct is that although it is absolutely clear that the new AK100 II and AK120 II will come into shops very soon - on the German homepage at least AK does not give one single hint that they will be offering the new players very soon. They still offer the old AK100, Ak120, Titan and 240 at the full price of course. They also still give all the reviews about the old 100 and 120 - now there are just the first german reviews to be found about the 240 ...
If someone bought an old one now because of simple lack of knowledge about the new players they probably would be pretty upset.
And please - I am aware that some of You think that everybody has to be 150% totally informed about everything that is going on in the market and therefore it is his own fault if he bought an outdated DAP now for the full price. I do not think so because there are people (customers) who do NOT speak english (thus not being able to read in head-fi.org) or do NOT have the opportunity to go to trade shows. Considering that a large part of the AK-sales is being done via Internet this means that there is just no information about the new players / product change.
BTW - the same pattern applied a year ago when the AK00 MKII was being offered (at the beginnging) first additionally to the AK100.
So I would expect from AK to provide this bit of information on their homepage - something like "New AK100 and AK120 to be sold soon" or something similar.
I would like to compare this with a different market: When BMW or Mercedes or any other car company plan to introduce a new model or to give the old model a face-lift they develop the model and then go touring all trade shows while providing the public and all the dealers with the information that in x months time the new model will be sold. From this day on the old model will of course still be sold - but customers can choose if they want to go with the old model, have it earlier and save some money on it or if the want to wait for the new model.
This would be business conduct that is acceptable to me when introducing model changes.
Originally Posted by mikemercer /img/forum/go_quote.gif
SO sorry I didn't have my Double Helix Cable balanced cables set-up specifically for the AK240 and others with me!
I didn't know we'd have this chance - BUT:
I am going to do a follow-up review on the AK240 to Warren and Michael's original - as well as do a balanced performance review!
That will be me, Warren, and Ethan on Audio360.org!
What I find REALLY disappointing and IMHO not good business conduct is that although it is absolutely clear that the new AK100 II and AK120 II will come into shops very soon - on the German homepage at least AK does not give one single hint that they will be offering the new players very soon. They still offer the old AK100, Ak120, Titan and 240 at the full price of course.
Will AK continues to produce the original AK100Mk2 & AK120? Or we are now seeing the "until it lasts" stocks?
As Warren indicated - and I have a feeling about it: I think they're going to drop the OG AK100 & AK120,
Also:
We ALL have to remember: No matter what anybody may say - in the end we're reacting to the playback of music, an art-form - so we will interpret things differently,
and that doesn't make ANYBODY more right or wrong than the other!
Titan with its massive storage would be perfect deal with reduced price. I wish I had money to get one
@Warren,
Even though you did not say AK120 is better than 120II, but considering your preference in the 120 and also mercer's ranking similar to yours which he did say was ranked according to sonic integrity and performance. I'm assuming that means technically?
Does the 120 have a wider soundstage, better clarity, transparency, micro macro details and dynamic range compared the 120II?
AK120 | AK120II | Notes | |
Soundstage | | ✓ | No doubt about it, the AK120II has a wider soundstage. Still not nearly as wide (or natural) as the AK240, but definitely wider than the AK120. |
Imaging | ✓ | | While the AK120II's soundstage is more expansive in all directions, but the AK120's soundstage is more natural due to better imaging. Put it this way, with Taylor Eigsti's "Get Your Hopes Up", the AK120 keeps them together as a trio (as they should be) - whereas the AK120II tends to push the guitarist and drummer back a few feet like they are some random session players. |
Clarity | ✓ | ✓ | Pretty much a tie. The AK120 doesn't deliver all the sonic information available in the music like the AK120II, but it also doesn't load it with all kinds of micro detail noise that can sometimes be distracting. |
Transparency | | ✓ | You'll hear more with the AK120II. Just know that isn't always a good thing. For example, on Claire Martin's rendition of "Embraceable You", I can hear the piano player's clothes rustling fairly loudly. That's something that I could do without were it a live performance. So I'd rather not have it in the recording. The AK120 masks this from me. But yes, transparency is superior with the AK120II. |
Macro Detail | | ✓ | This is especially true in the lows and highs where the AK120II is more revealing. With the AK120II, you'll hear low end textures and detail in the highs that just aren't there in the AK120. |
Micro Detail | | ✓ | AK120II wins here by a wide margin... but check out Dynamic Range before you jump on the AK120II for this reason alone. |
Dynamic Range (perceived) | ✓ | | Because the AK120 isn't always throwing a ton of micro detail at you - which tends to fill the background in a white-noise sort of way - it feels like the AK120 has a blacker background and much greater swing. Crescendos are more thrilling with the AK120. Specs may say otherwise, but I'm hearing what I hear - fairly consistently - and so is @mikemercer. |
Hope that the AK100II shares the fluency of the UI without being laggy...
AK120 AK120II NotesSoundstage ✓No doubt about it, the AK120II has a wider soundstage. Still not nearly as wide (or natural) as the AK240, but definitely wider than the AK120. Imaging ✓ While the AK120II's soundstage is more expansive in all directions, but the AK120's soundstage is more natural due to better imaging. Put it this way, with Taylor Eigsti's "Get Your Hopes Up", the AK120 keeps them together as a trio (as they should be) - whereas the AK120II tends to push the guitarist and drummer back a few feet like they are some random session players. Clarity ✓ ✓Pretty much a tie. The AK120 doesn't deliver all the sonic information available in the music like the AK120II, but it also doesn't load it with all kinds of micro detail noise that can sometimes be distracting. Transparency ✓You'll hear more with the AK120II. Just know that isn't always a good thing. For example, on Claire Martin's rendition of "Embraceable You", I can hear the piano player's clothes rustling fairly loudly. That's something that I could do without were it a live performance. So I'd rather not have it in the recording. The AK120 masks this from me. But yes, transparency is superior with the AK120II. Macro Detail ✓This is especially true in the lows and highs where the AK120II is more revealing. With the AK120II, you'll hear low end textures and detail in the highs that just aren't there in the AK120. Micro Detail ✓AK120II wins here by a wide margin... but check out Dynamic Range before you jump on the AK120II for this reason alone. Dynamic Range (perceived) ✓ Because the AK120 isn't always throwing a ton of micro detail at you - which tends to fill the background in a white-noise sort of way - it feels like the AK120 has a blacker background and much greater swing. Crescendos are more thrilling with the AK120. Specs may say otherwise, but I'm hearing what I hear - fairly consistently - and so is @mikemercer.
and as I rock the AK240 right now, I'm with Warren again.
I've already gathered some gear to sell in order to get one!!
AK120 AK120II NotesSoundstage ✓No doubt about it, the AK120II has a wider soundstage. Still not nearly as wide (or natural) as the AK240, but definitely wider than the AK120. Imaging ✓ While the AK120II's soundstage is more expansive in all directions, but the AK120's soundstage is more natural due to better imaging. Put it this way, with Taylor Eigsti's "Get Your Hopes Up", the AK120 keeps them together as a trio (as they should be) - whereas the AK120II tends to push the guitarist and drummer back a few feet like they are some random session players. Clarity ✓ ✓Pretty much a tie. The AK120 doesn't deliver all the sonic information available in the music like the AK120II, but it also doesn't load it with all kinds of micro detail noise that can sometimes be distracting. Transparency ✓You'll hear more with the AK120II. Just know that isn't always a good thing. For example, on Claire Martin's rendition of "Embraceable You", I can hear the piano player's clothes rustling fairly loudly. That's something that I could do without were it a live performance. So I'd rather not have it in the recording. The AK120 masks this from me. But yes, transparency is superior with the AK120II. Macro Detail ✓This is especially true in the lows and highs where the AK120II is more revealing. With the AK120II, you'll hear low end textures and detail in the highs that just aren't there in the AK120. Micro Detail ✓AK120II wins here by a wide margin... but check out Dynamic Range before you jump on the AK120II for this reason alone. Dynamic Range (perceived) ✓ Because the AK120 isn't always throwing a ton of micro detail at you - which tends to fill the background in a white-noise sort of way - it feels like the AK120 has a blacker background and much greater swing. Crescendos are more thrilling with the AK120. Specs may say otherwise, but I'm hearing what I hear - fairly consistently - and so is @mikemercer.
Thx once again again!!! This chart really ups my level of understanding as to what you guys heard. As I'm a huge lover of detail in music it actually pushes me closer to the AK120II. If you ever feel so inclined it would be great to see how the 240 layers on top of this??
Just for you...
No doubt about it, the AK120II has a wider soundstage. Still not nearly as wide (or natural) as the AK240, but definitely wider than the AK120. While the AK120II's soundstage is more expansive in all directions, but the AK120's soundstage is more natural due to better imaging. Put it this way, with Taylor Eigsti's "Get Your Hopes Up", the AK120 keeps them together as a trio (as they should be) - whereas the AK120II tends to push the guitarist and drummer back a few feet like they are some random session players. Pretty much a tie. The AK120 doesn't deliver all the sonic information available in the music like the AK120II, but it also doesn't load it with all kinds of micro detail noise that can sometimes be distracting. You'll hear more with the AK120II. Just know that isn't always a good thing. For example, on Claire Martin's rendition of "Embraceable You", I can hear the piano player's clothes rustling fairly loudly. That's something that I could do without were it a live performance. So I'd rather not have it in the recording. The AK120 masks this from me. But yes, transparency is superior with the AK120II. This is especially true in the lows and highs where the AK120II is more revealing. With the AK120II, you'll hear low end textures and detail in the highs that just aren't there in the AK120. AK120II wins here by a wide margin... but check out Dynamic Range before you jump on the AK120II for this reason alone. Because the AK120 isn't always throwing a ton of micro detail at you - which tends to fill the background in a white-noise sort of way - it feels like the AK120 has a blacker background and much greater swing. Crescendos are more thrilling with the AK120. Specs may say otherwise, but I'm hearing what I hear - fairly consistently - and so is @mikemercer
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See why it's such a mixed bag here? Each player has certain things going for/against it. At the end of the day, the AK120 won out because it was just consistently more enjoyable for me.
EDIT: At some point, @mikemercer
and I both had step back from critical listening. And when we did that, the AK120 sounded more like music whereas the AK120II was more like a sonic exhibition. The AK120II is analytically better than the AK120, but the AK120 is just more emotive. Believe me, I am as surprised as you are, but I just had a better time listening (not critically, just for enjoyment) with the AK120 than I did the AK120II. Also, note, this is why I put my rankings under "Personal Preference" as opposed to "Findings."
HOWEVER, if you can get an AK240, GET IT. It has none of the AK120II's shortcomings - and it most definitely kicks the AK120's ass.
It does.
It's pretty remarkable isn't it? I didn't think we'd see (or hear) a portable player like this for at least another year, maybe two. Imagine what the AK480 will sound like.
Right, then you should definitely get the AK120II for yourself (assuming that you're not getting an AK240). Detailheads will definitely like the AK120II over the AK120.
As for the AK240, that's easy. Just put every single check mark in its column.