Bowers & Wilkins Pi8 and Pi6 True Wireless Earbuds

Oct 7, 2024 at 12:37 AM Post #151 of 327
After replacing my first pair of pi8 with a volume imbalance issue, this new pair (replaced early September) now has another problem where the left ear bud is completely dead.

Please don't mention the reset procedures etc, these units are just simply flawed. It's a shame because they sound good.
 
Oct 7, 2024 at 1:08 AM Post #152 of 327
After replacing my first pair of pi8 with a volume imbalance issue, this new pair (replaced early September) now has another problem where the left ear bud is completely dead.

Please don't mention the reset procedures etc, these units are just simply flawed. It's a shame because they sound good.
Don’t flawed my end , all perfect
 
Oct 7, 2024 at 10:42 AM Post #154 of 327
This business with the insertion depth/technique is a PITA but well worth it. I'll get the knack.
Did you try a smaller tip? When I first got them I immediately put on the large tips, since that is the size I’ve been using lately in my other ones. I found, with those, that I had to do the same as you to find a seal, but when I jumped down to a smaller size it was perfect.
 
Oct 7, 2024 at 11:31 AM Post #156 of 327
A little bit of a twist works very well for me with the stock tips, but I always lift up my ear a bit before letting it seal. I usually go for ML or L size tips but the stock M size is actually very stable for my ears.

After about a week with these headphones, I'm still quite pleased. I think the stock signature has a bit too much mid bass but I kinda expected as much given B&W's house sound—nudging the built-in EQ down a bit in that frequency range helps shape it more to my liking.

I've bounced back and forth with the Azla MAX eartips and I've concluded that the real effect those have is moving vocals much closer in the mix. For some stuff (downtempo, electronic, classical) it's great, but for other stuff (rock) it's fatiguing. It requires slightly more EQing down of the upper midrange to bring it back in line, but once that's done, those tips turn these headphones into a great vocal-focused set. I'm pretty sure this is due to the visibly wider inner bore of the MAX compared to the stock tips as I've experienced similar changes with other Azla tips on other headphones (like their Crystals on the AirPods Pro). I kind of prefer the fit and material of the MAX to the stock tips, but since they both work quite well for me I think I'll stick with the stock ones and just nudge down that mid bass warmth a bit.

Also pleased to find that the call quality is very good on these. It's still not as good as the AirPods Pro v2, but I vastly prefer the ergonomics, passive isolation, and sound quality of the Pi8 so it's kind of a no-brainer for me.
 
Oct 7, 2024 at 4:27 PM Post #157 of 327
Want to chime in with my 2 cents about Pi8.

My current and reference headset is the Bathys (Focal). I love how it sounds, however, particularly in summer, it really bakes my ears :) So I was looking for an alternative IEM portable NC alternative.

I had the 1000XM5, but they were not up to the task - the comfort was horrible with the stock earbuds, as well as the sound.

So I ordered and tried out the Pi8 and AZ80s.

I ended up returning both, and here's why:

I returned AZ80s because, although they were the closest to the Bathys as far as sound signature (with Treble+ EQ present, and taking into account the obvious soundstage disadvantages of IEM vs over ear) - they also had excellent NC and transparency modes - I couldn't wear them more than a couple of hours without developing pain in my antihelix - no matter how I positioned it, it pressed to much on my antihelix (my ear is on the small size). I was kind of bummed because the sound was amazing for an BT TWS IEM, and would really have made me give up the Bathys for the aforementioned practicality advantages.

The Pi8 however were quite a shock. First off, I was happy that the comfort was MUCH better than the AZ80, for ears like mine (Smaller) - I felt no pressure on the antihelix.
And this is where the GOOD news END. The NC and transparency were absolutely inferior to the AZ80 - but I didn't care about it that much - I wanted to be happy with the sound. Unfortunately, the sound was shockingly more "mainstream" and congested compared to the AZ80.

I'll try to explain it as plain as possible: both with the EQ on "true sound" (which I assume is some sort of pure direct), or with different boosts on high mids, the sound was very boomy, much more closed in (much narrower soundstage) and overall more compressed than the AZ80. I was not expecting it. The only good thing was that on stock EQ, the highs were a bit more sparkling on the Pi8, but the AZ80 reached satisfactory highs with Treble+ preset. Also, the Pi8 is definitely louder (but that's not a + in my book)

Overall, the sound of the Pi8 is obviously tuned to be more "commercial" or "mainstream" vs the AZ80 - but it's also more narrow and "dark" - definitely less of an audiophile type tuning than the AZ80.

If you like it, be happy with it, but if you are more inclined to something more hifi/audiophile (like Focal tuning or even CampfireAudio - I used to own the Dorado 2020), the AZ80 is much much more close to what you want.

The difference in price is even more glaring when you consider the extra functionality, transparency and NC are much better than AZ80. Just mind the comfort on the antihelix if you have small ears.



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Oct 8, 2024 at 4:31 AM Post #160 of 327
A little bit of a twist works very well for me with the stock tips, but I always lift up my ear a bit before letting it seal. I usually go for ML or L size tips but the stock M size is actually very stable for my ears.

After about a week with these headphones, I'm still quite pleased. I think the stock signature has a bit too much mid bass but I kinda expected as much given B&W's house sound—nudging the built-in EQ down a bit in that frequency range helps shape it more to my liking.

I've bounced back and forth with the Azla MAX eartips and I've concluded that the real effect those have is moving vocals much closer in the mix. For some stuff (downtempo, electronic, classical) it's great, but for other stuff (rock) it's fatiguing. It requires slightly more EQing down of the upper midrange to bring it back in line, but once that's done, those tips turn these headphones into a great vocal-focused set. I'm pretty sure this is due to the visibly wider inner bore of the MAX compared to the stock tips as I've experienced similar changes with other Azla tips on other headphones (like their Crystals on the AirPods Pro). I kind of prefer the fit and material of the MAX to the stock tips, but since they both work quite well for me I think I'll stick with the stock ones and just nudge down that mid bass warmth a bit.

Also pleased to find that the call quality is very good on these. It's still not as good as the AirPods Pro v2, but I vastly prefer the ergonomics, passive isolation, and sound quality of the Pi8 so it's kind of a no-brainer for me.
i got azla smr standard for pi8 but they disorted the sound, other users mentioned about a better sound with comply foam tips
 
Oct 8, 2024 at 11:14 AM Post #162 of 327
Want to chime in with my 2 cents about Pi8.
Bummer you didn’t like the Pi8 sound, and that the Technics didn’t fit well for you. While I wouldn’t describe the Pi8 as “dark”, I appreciate you sharing your impressions. I was very tempted by the Technics and may try them at some point. It’s a weird mix of exciting and discouraging to go through TWS sets so quickly looking for one that ticks all the boxes. I guess it’s kind of worth the effort given that when you find a set you love, it can provide a soundtrack to your entire daily life, which is pretty cool.
 
Oct 8, 2024 at 12:42 PM Post #165 of 327
Why are people recommending the Comply TW-170-A for this TWS?

They absolutely do NOT fit. The nozzle of the Pi8 is too small for them.

$24 wasted based on recommendations by this community feels bad, man.
 

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