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[Redcarmoose]

Can I have some of the drugs you’re taking?

That’s it.

 

[oakparkmusicguy]

@bigshot for a long time I read your posts as someone using logic and science. And now you’re just attacking people and giving unsubstantiated claims. But perhaps you did study musicology and art.
Where are the documents and research validating that such pieces and works are jokes?

I’m not a fan at all of Warhol.
But, from ‘Living with Art’ by Rita Gilbert;

From page 152
And on page 232:
“He claimed to be devoid of emotion or feeling…”

 

[oakparkmusicguy]

Ligeti is one of my favorite composers!

 

[bigshot]

Not all Cage is fraudulent. But 4'33" certainly is. As you say, it removes many of the aspects of music making from the mix. In fact, it removes *every* aspect of music making except for the blather of critics. I don't know why I have to tell you why it's a joke. It should be self evident. Robert Hughes, one of the art critics I actually respect called Warhol "one of the stupidest people I ever met in my life." That sums him up pretty neatly.

There is WAY too much good music and good art to waste times on self indulgent junk.

 

[castleofargh]

Artist???

An example of spontaneous synchronization, an half way explained and half way unexplained widely known component of modern day science. No art here?

I was just going along with previous posts on Cage(the highly popular and possible inventor of the ghost track). So you could say I was also trolling in my own way.
my personal view on that nothing track by Cage, or the readymade toilet/sculpture, cans of soup, or the latest guy who was commissioned for paintings and decided to present empty canvas as being the work, is that it needs to exist and will exist no matter what. Because really, most artists have at least joked about doing it. IMO, what's impressive are the cojones of the guys actually doing it, not the art.


Yes, many things and animals are in sync with something else like in your examples. For entirely different reasons though. And there are even more things that do not sync with each other. The real world is mainly about randomness AFAIK.
I've heard and read about human menstruation and how another girl could align hers with the "alpha" of the group. But then there is also stuff about which latitude the person lives on, maybe stuff about temperature, clearly stuff about the amount and duration of light within a day(including artificial lights, and maybe the moon stuff was at one point part of that?), stuff about age, and various hormonal imbalances because(even bigger list of stuff)... So the notion of sync rapidly loses its impressive appearance of authority over the real world IMO. But I guess we see the patterns we're looking for.


For mechanical oscillations, things are(if not simpler), at least much more consistent and logical. The vid is just an overly complicated feedback loop where the various movements impact the total acceleration of the plate which in turn impacts the pendulums, and so on. So long as the plate is mostly free of other forces, the sync or maybe out of phase sync are, given enough time, the only logical endings.

 

[Redcarmoose]

I was just going along with previous posts on Cage(the highly popular and possible inventor of the ghost track). So you could say I was also trolling in my own way.
my personal view on that nothing track by Cage, or the readymade toilet/sculpture, cans of soup, or the latest guy who was commissioned for paintings and decided to present empty canvas as being the work, is that it needs to exist and will exist no matter what. Because really, most artists have at least joked about doing it. IMO, what's impressive are the cojones of the guys actually doing it, not the art.


Yes, many things and animals are in sync with something else like in your examples. For entirely different reasons though. And there are even more things that do not sync with each other. The real world is mainly about randomness AFAIK.
I've heard and read about human menstruation and how another girl could align hers with the "alpha" of the group. But then there is also stuff about which latitude the person lives on, maybe stuff about temperature, clearly stuff about the amount and duration of light within a day(including artificial lights, and maybe the moon stuff was at one point part of that?), stuff about age, and various hormonal imbalances because(even bigger list of stuff)... So the notion of sync rapidly loses its impressive appearance of authority over the real world IMO. But I guess we see the patterns we're looking for.


For mechanical oscillations, things are(if not simpler), at least much more consistent and logical. The vid is just an overly complicated feedback loop where the various movements impact the total acceleration of the plate which in turn impacts the pendulums, and so on. So long as the plate is mostly free of other forces, the sync or maybe out of phase sync are, given enough time, the only logical endings.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-discover-exotic-patterns-of-synchronization-20190404/









https://physicsworld.com/a/the-secret-of-the-synchronized-pendulums/



http://www.math.pitt.edu/~bard/classes/mth3380/syncpapers/metronome.pdf

I’m only saying that the metronomes and the fireflies show a relationship which the end results are greater than the sum of a single part. Nothing more nothing less.

If this has a relationship to synergy or rhythm in headphones I don’t know?

 

[Redcarmoose]

 

[castleofargh]

https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-discover-exotic-patterns-of-synchronization-20190404/









https://physicsworld.com/a/the-secret-of-the-synchronized-pendulums/



http://www.math.pitt.edu/~bard/classes/mth3380/syncpapers/metronome.pdf





I’m only saying that the metronomes and the fireflies show a relationship which the end results are greater than the sum of a single part. Nothing more nothing less.

If this has a relationship to synergy or rhythm in headphones I don’t know?

Synergy as an emotional concept, or for a sense of value, why not. But the physical world sticks with the law of conservation of energy.

 

[oakparkmusicguy]

 

[oakparkmusicguy]

What about this Cage piece:
https://universes.art/en/specials/john-cage-organ-project-halberstadt

I guess I’ll need to do some homework. It’s almost like I didn’t study 20th century music with a Cage scholar at the university that Cage taught at. Oh wait…

 

[Whazzzup]

What the prat?

 

[bigshot]

Prattling is going on!

 

[sander99]

For the impatient: the 29 minutes version of John Cage ASLSP:

 

[oakparkmusicguy]

I’m not a band teacher, but…

 

[bigshot]

For the impatient: the 29 minutes version of John Cage ASLSP

The soundtrack album to Andy Warhol's "Empire State Building".