[Delirious Lab]

   
I have this [Thielemann/VPO Beethoven set] too. I shall be polite and refrain from commenting.....
 
Try Paavo Jarvi's cycle with the Kammerphil Bremen.
 
cheers

Hehe.  Cmon, take the gloves off and tell us what you think!

 

[Pokemonn]

Eargasm!!!

 

[CanadianMaestro]

  These discussions about tempi remind me of richter's schubert Zzzzzzzzzzz........

For sure. His D.960 1st mvt runs about 25 mins? Stupendously slow. Still, there are some nights when I listen to it to really decompress my synapses....along with Solomon's Moonlight sonata.

 

[CanadianMaestro]

Quote:

   
I have this [Thielemann/VPO Beethoven set] too. I shall be polite and refrain from commenting.....
 
Try Paavo Jarvi's cycle with the Kammerphil Bremen.
 
cheers

Quote:

  Hehe.  Cmon, take the gloves off and tell us what you think!

 
Thielemann's set just lacked drive. Especially in the 5th and 7th. His 4th and 2nd are not as spirited as what the scores (Beethoven?) called for. Listen to Wand's 4th, and Szell's 2nd, to hear what I mean. "Romanticism" works in some, like the Pastoral and the Scherzo of the 9th. Thielemann's trying too hard to be "different" in a very crowded Beeth Symphony recording arena. I can't blame him for that. At least he is not trying to be Mario Andretti, like in Zinman's cycle, where the tempi are consistently too brisk.

 

[kostaszag]

  Quote:

   
I have this [Thielemann/VPO Beethoven set] too. I shall be polite and refrain from commenting.....
 
Try Paavo Jarvi's cycle with the Kammerphil Bremen.
 
cheers

Quote:

  Hehe.  Cmon, take the gloves off and tell us what you think!

 
Thielemann's set just lacked drive. Especially in the 5th and 7th. His 4th and 2nd are not as spirited as what the scores (Beethoven?) called for. Listen to Wand's 4th, and Szell's 2nd, to hear what I mean. "Romanticism" works in some, like the Pastoral and the Scherzo of the 9th. Thielemann's trying too hard to be "different" in a very crowded Beeth Symphony recording arena. I can't blame him for that. At least he is not trying to be Mario Andretti, like in Zinman's cycle, where the tempi are consistently too brisk.

I would put it this way: he tries to emulate Klemperer but he just gets boring.

 

[Delirious Lab]

Wow.  "Boring" is the last word I would use to describe this set.  And for the life of me I don't perceive any lack of drive - things are moving forward very nicely to my ears.  I guess I like to bask in slow tempi (I also have the Solti/Chicago cycle and love it except for the weird double-bassy sound take) and I especially hate it when the music sounds hurried.

 

[CanadianMaestro]

^ All mood-dependent, there's no "perfect" way. Personal prefs. No stress about it. 

 

[robm321]

^ this.

 

[leomitch]

  ^ this​

 
 
Sorry to be dense, but what does this post mean?  I don't get it, sorry!
 
Leo

 

[Funambulistic]

It means the person agrees with the post above.

 

[leomitch]

  It means the person agrees with the post above.

 
 
Thanks mate! Much appreciated!
 
Leo

 

[Funambulistic]

My pleasure!

 

[Delirious Lab]

  It means the person agrees with the post above.

    ^ This.
 
Currently listening to #9, and I have to revise what I said about things moving forward.  Thielemann sometimes slows down to almost a complete halt (e.g. in the ending of the first movement).
 
Call me crazy, but I love it!

 

[bracko]

 

[CanadianMaestro]

 

 
Yes.  Along with Krips/LSO, and Solti/VPO. The sound is soooo good with the Amsterdammers.