Before the Music Dies.

[Jahn]

Well, content aside, I can see the point of the actual film being a little rough. You know what I can't wait for? The guy who put together An Inconvenient Truth is making "It Might Get Loud" - Jimmy Page, The Edge and Jack White in a room doing whatever. That's one I can't wait to watch (and hear!).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4EvZtsXz7w&fmt=18

 

[Landis]

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Originally Posted by CDBacklash /img/forum/go_quote.gif what the hell is this pretentious crap. 1/5. Not worth the watch. Severely limited scope.

Tributes, appreciative, articulated and poetic language often get confused as pretentious.

It's a shame Zappa isn't around anymore, he would have been an excellent fit for this film! Hell, if anything, he started the whole rebellion against the record labels and spoke out against their changing of signing musicians that were musicians to signing and promoting these pseudo musicians and singers.

Thank you for the link, it was an enjoyable watch!

 

[CDBacklash]

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Originally Posted by EnOYiN /img/forum/go_quote.gif CDBacklash, my remark was more pointed toward the fact that you only watched 1/5 of the whole ordeal. A very cynical joke attempt you might call it.

I watched the whole thing. It was the first 10 minutes of narration that irked me the most, so much so that I had to make lengthy comments about it.

 

[DocHamm]

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Originally Posted by EnOYiN /img/forum/go_quote.gif ...I think that if you're that girl who says: "Bob Dylan? Who's that?" and you watch this film you might get more of an eye-opener than most of the population on Head-Fi. If you've never heard of other bands than the crap which is being shoved down your throat by your favorite TV station than how do you search for them on the internet?..

It's sad many younger people don't know older artists but that is partly their own fault. It's akin to the concept of education today. Too many people believe the educational system is broken. In one way it is, but in another it is not. Why? Because it is YOU that learns. It is up to YOU, each inidividual to learn and educate yourself. Not about what someone else can teach you. A teacher can feed you all the books and data in the world but it is meaningless if you do not wish to learn it.

I love music on many levels and make every effort to learn about it. It's history only enriches the experience for me. Sure, I know who Bob Dylan is, as I am certain many here do, but how many of you know Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald?

Two of the most amusing things I've heard from 20-somethings recently...

• I never watch movies before 1970 'cause there were no good ones.
• Hey! Did you hear that new band Aerosmith?

So much for The Wizard of Oz and Liv 'Arwen' Tyler.

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Originally Posted by EnOYiN /img/forum/go_quote.gif ...Radio and TV are starting to lose to the internet...

I disagree. Radio is still very much alive and TV isn't going away. The internet is merely another medium that can and will be utilized in any way it can to ... of course ... make money.


As evident by the responses here, this documentary is very thought provoking. There is a great deal to digest and assimilate.

Music is a form of energy that exists in everyone at some level. Questions come into play when we try to dissect the meaning of those levels. This documentary is one dissection. A belief by many of the current trend in the 'music industry'. I hope they are wrong.

Music isn't an industry, it is a spiritual event. A connection, at some level, to the core of what it is to be human. If we honor music as an artform, its value changes. If we enjoy the beauty of the form, we keep a piece of it in our heart always. How? Try reading a book with a piece of music. Weeks, months and even years after completing that book, when you hear that music, it will remind you of the book, the story, how you connected with it and how you felt about it. It is a moment of personal time encapsulated that no one can take away from you. This is music. This is art.

 

[catscratch]

Meh. The film is very mediocre IMO and has the tone of an Alex Jones propaganda video. I agree with the point, but there is also as much good music made now as there ever was at any point in time, all you need is the incentive to go out and find it. Of course, that incentive isn't something that is instilled in the midst of a youth-obsessed consumerist culture, and maybe the point of the video is that we need to instill it. Sure. But the majors are in a sense doing it for us - the excessive visibility of commercialized popular music is itself driving the backlash and providing the incentive to discover the real music underneath.

Oh, and popular music has always been predominantly crap. We have a skewed and nostalgic view of popular music from "back in the day" since only the stuff that has withstood the test of time is remembered. All of the crap is forgotten. 30 years down the line people will remember a very different reality of this decade's popular music from what we hear right now, and it isn't going to be dominated by teeny-bopper cash machines or yet another fake gangsta wannabe, but will be equated with actual talented musicians that are well-known and reach out to a wide audience.

We're also seeing the majors lose their control over music distribution, as well as a change away from hardware formats to downloaded music, all of which has the potential to make music distribution easier and make the middleman less necessary. Which will mean that the industry will become only more and more aggressive since it's basically drowning and grasping at straws, and smaller independent labels arise as the new norm, before they blow up into the new majors and the whole cycle repeats itself.

Or so my predictions go, anyway. Who knows what will really happen

 

[limpidglitch]

Jeeesus!

Sorry folks, but it just made me sick.

Konakona, check this one out!

 

[EnOYiN]

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Originally Posted by CDBacklash /img/forum/go_quote.gif I watched the whole thing. It was the first 10 minutes of narration that irked me the most, so much so that I had to make lengthy comments about it.

I wasn't too happy about that part either, but I can managed to get through it.

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Originally Posted by DocHamm /img/forum/go_quote.gif It's sad many younger people don't know older artists but that is partly their own fault. It's akin to the concept of education today. Too many people believe the educational system is broken. In one way it is, but in another it is not. Why? Because it is YOU that learns. It is up to YOU, each inidividual to learn and educate yourself. Not about what someone else can teach you. A teacher can feed you all the books and data in the world but it is meaningless if you do not wish to learn it.

Of course, I known all the bands mentioned. I'm 25 years old right now. So, obviously it's possible. Maybe I'm just the exception though and not the rule.

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Originally Posted by DocHamm /img/forum/go_quote.gif I disagree. Radio is still very much alive and TV isn't going away. The internet is merely another medium that can and will be utilized in any way it can to ... of course ... make money.

Sure, radio and TV are very much alive. I just think that they will not keep their form as we know it today. I think most of it will merge with the internet and because of that making in different in the way we use it. In a few years most people will have access to internet which is fast enough to stream films. Why bother watching it on TV with adds every 5 minutes if you can watch the same thing without?

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Originally Posted by catscratch /img/forum/go_quote.gif Oh, and popular music has always been predominantly crap. We have a skewed and nostalgic view of popular music from "back in the day" since only the stuff that has withstood the test of time is remembered. All of the crap is forgotten. 30 years down the line people will remember a very different reality of this decade's popular music from what we hear right now, and it isn't going to be dominated by teeny-bopper cash machines or yet another fake gangsta wannabe, but will be equated with actual talented musicians that are well-known and reach out to a wide audience.

Since I wasn't alive back in the day I can't tell you with certainty, but I thought the Beatles were pretty popular in their days? Simon and Garfunkel had number one hits? To quote wiki (and I hate quoting wiki):

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Originally Posted by wiki First released on January 26, 1970, it reached No. 1 on Billboard Music Charts pop albums list.

What ever is popular will indeed live on I think. Whether it was good or not. How many bands can you name that weren't popular at all back in the 70s and are now? I would have a pretty hard time thinking of any. Whether that will mean the death of music? Probably not. Mozart is still quite popular among certain people and will continue to be so I think.

Edit: @ limpidglitch. Neat signature. (and I don't mean the part by Crowley) I love that book.

 

[DocHamm]

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Originally Posted by EnOYiN /img/forum/go_quote.gif Of course, I known all the bands mentioned. I'm 25 years old right now. So, obviously it's possible. Maybe I'm just the exception though and not the rule.

That's great! If you enjoy music, why not experience it all? Doesn't mean you have to like all of it, just means you've taste-tested and have a truely widescreen view.

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Originally Posted by EnOYiN /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sure, radio and TV are very much alive. I just think that they will not keep their form as we know it today. I think most of it will merge with the internet and because of that making in different in the way we use it. In a few years most people will have access to internet which is fast enough to stream films. Why bother watching it on TV with adds every 5 minutes if you can watch the same thing without?

Ergo my comment that the internet is just another medium, another method to 'stream' information to the public. Unfortunately we're a ways from that on a global scale. Why? Because there isn't a computer in every household yet and that's not because they are older people. I know plenty of very knowledgeable seniors.

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Originally Posted by EnOYiN /img/forum/go_quote.gif ...I thought the Beatles were pretty popular in their days? Simon and Garfunkel had number one hits?...

The Beatles were a bit more than popular. In their day they were a phenomena. Although I was never a S&G fan, Paul has made some impressive contributions to music and the music industry. Marrying Edie Brickell was just a little icing for younger gernerations.

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Originally Posted by EnOYiN /img/forum/go_quote.gif What ever is popular will indeed live on I think. Whether it was good or not. Mozart is still quite popular among certain people and will continue to be so I think.

Popular things will always live on and, even if they die out a bit, there will always be someone to find them anew and rekindle the old spirit. Just look at bell bottom jeans.

The likes of Mozart will never come again and thus he will remain a legend. Classics are responsible for everything, especially aspiring musicians.