Bach: Keyboard Works

Mar 22, 2007 at 10:02 PM Post #181 of 298
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And I assume the performance of Copenhagen's keyboard are superior as well (assuming TEC is the orthodox playing)?


These are first rate recoridings; interpretation and performance as good or better than Pinnock and TEC. Sound quality is superior. You don't have to take my word for it, read the reviews in Gramphone and ClassicsToday and ClassicsToday France.

Here's an excerpt from the review at ClassicsToday of Vol 2 which was only released this year:

Reference Recording - On Harpsichord: this one

Beyond all issues of interpretation, the most important factor in any harpsichord recording is the choice of instrument, and here Lars Ulrik Mortensen has shown excellent judgment. His harpsichord has a scintillating but never overbright tone, minimal mechanical noise, and enough body to provide at least the illusion of a real legato in the slow movements. It's a joy to listen to, as is the accompaniment of Concerto Copenhagen, a period-performance ensemble that never sacrifices beauty of timbre in favor of "authenticity" of approach. Both soloist and orchestra are helped by warm, perfectly balanced sonics, a bit finer than what we heard in Volume 1 of this series. Yes, there are billions of recordings of this music by now, but when the results are this good, who cares about the rest? [3/1/2007]


Here is an excerpt from the review for Vol. 1 from ClassicsToday:

Mortensen's tempos in the moderate and quick movements are within seconds of Pinnock's, and though for the most part the pacing is almost identical, Mortensen ornaments (i.e. languishes) less in his significantly shorter, more orthodox reading of BWV 1053's second-movement "Siciliano". Mortensen's overall, generally upbeat approach is similar as well to Pinnock's often self-conscious elegance. However, in this respect Mortensen's renderings share much more in common with Gustav Leonhardt's equally lauded Leonhardt Consort cycle on Teldec. Throughout, Mortensen and the Concerto Copenhagen deliver stylish, informed, satisfying performances that are on par with the best currently or previously available.

Unlike many cycles (including Pinnock's) where the harpsichord sometimes sounds too closely miked, Mortensen's instrument always remains convincingly integrated within the ensemble. While some listeners may prefer a more forward balance, repeated listening also reveals that what initially may impress as a lack of immediacy and clarity of detail (of which there is plenty here) actually sounds more lifelike and true to the concert hall experience. This fine recording is highly recommended both to those in search of a first contemporary account of these seminal concertos as well as to listeners looking for a first-rate supplementary cycle.
 
Mar 23, 2007 at 9:31 AM Post #182 of 298
In the event that the OP ever feels the need to exlpore the keyboard concerti and solo works by other Bach's than JS, Ludger Remy has recorded two excellent CPE Bach concerto albums also on CPO. Alternatively, Miklos Spanyi's epic project of recording all CPE Bach's keybaord pieces and concertos (BIS, 31 discs so far) is nearly complete and will go a long way for fans of Baroque/ Early Classical music.
 
Mar 23, 2007 at 10:13 AM Post #183 of 298
Another interesting Bach performer on the keyboard whose work I have quite enjoyed is Lorenzo Ghielmi. He has recorded for both Italian and German labels (Tactus, DHM, Winter and Winter). Very interesting, for example, is his "concept" album for Winter and Winter called "On Johann Sebastian Bach's Life, Art and Work' which couples excerpts from the famous JN Forkel biography with appropriate musical examples. The musical selections include one work from both Georg Bohm and Louis Marchand, plus a healthy serving of Bach's own works - one fantasia, one toccata, one concerto arrangement, one suite - played on a collection of harpsichords and clavichord, plus one beautiful account of the Ricercar a 3 from the Musical Offering performed on - you've guessed it - a Gottfried Silbermann fortepiano copy. The sound is clear and immediate and the playing is at once thoughtful and stylish. Worth a try both for the cd and the booklet.

 
Mar 24, 2007 at 11:11 PM Post #184 of 298
Bunny is the following finding from 06-07-2005 still true or has something else been discovered? Even if something else has taken your fancy further I'll still get this. I have had for at least 9 months a Rosalyn Tureck Goldberg on piano but really desire the harpsichord's sound. Quote:

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I've been collecting Goldbergs looking for an ultimate Goldberg. I won't get into details, but I've acquired goldbergs by Pierre Hantaï (2 sets), Jory Vinocur (SACD), Ralph Kirkpatrick, Gustave Leonhardt, Scott Ross, Ketil Haugsend, Blandine Verlet, Christiane Jacottet, Kenneth Gilbert and others too numerous to name, but the one that has leapt to the forefront is the one by Céline Frisch. What a pleasure listening to her play! Although I haven't tracked down a Rousset Goldberg yet (and I have great hopes that Decca will reissue it), I doubt that it will supplant this one but if it is good enough, join it as the co-favorite. This one is really that good! I haven't been so excited about a harpsichord recording since I picked up Rousset's English Suites way back when (actually a just a few short months ago).

First: Sound quality of this recording is excellent. She is playing a modern harpsichord that has a wonderfully warm and sonorous tone. There is not a tinny note on that instrument and the notes have that same "float through the air" quality that Rousset's wonderful Rucker has. Some of these notes are so irridescent that I think of wonderful soap bubbles being caught in the light streaming through a darkened room, just glowing until they suddenly vanish.

Second: Interpretation is absolutely top notch! There is great rhythmic drive; this is not your grandmother's Bach. Tempos are quick without being rushed with all of the voices clearly articulated. The dance rhythms are firmly stated and they flow much as the dance flows and are extremely sensual. I'm sure that she's listened to her fellow Canadians Gould and Hewitt along with a lot of other Goldbergs. She has the advantage of at least one of the two in that she isn't compelled to tunelessly hum along so there is no distraction, which is really important as it means that nothing gets in the way of the music. As I write this, Variation 20 is rippling across the ether towards me. What a tour-de-force! And the slow variations are just executed with such deliberation and grace, they are like the kiss of a lover upon the ear. Ornamentation is perfect, it never feels superfluous or didactic as I have found it can. This is very intimate Bach, Bach for the bedroom (or boudoir) rather than Bach for the church or museum. That is probably the most striking quality of this recording, it's intimacy: just music and performer and listener. If Rousset's performances can be characterized as extroverted and social, these are equally so, but without some of his theatricality even while there is no lack of drama. Btw, for all of you purists, she takes all of the repeats and if it's just an engineer replaying tracks, it's got me fooled.

Bonus: There is a second cd (which I haven't bothered to listen to yet as I can't get enough of the Goldbergs) which includes 14 Canons on the 8 first notes of the opening Aria, BWV 1087 and two songs from the period which were actually the basis or inspiration for the Aria according to the notes. I'll get around to that after I've thoroughly steeped myself in the Goldbergs.

Packaging: Beautiful 2 disc digipak with booklet. When you open it, first you see the famous portrait of Bach and opposite, a detail of the score of the Goldbergs. Open the leaves, and the interior and you see a beautiful painting of Samuel van Hoogstraten's Quodlibet on the far right and the booklet to the far left framing the 2 cds. Surfaces are covered with a pale green marbled bookbinder's paper pattern. It is so elegant I really wish pictures of the interior were available.

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Mar 25, 2007 at 2:57 AM Post #186 of 298
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Bunny is the following finding from 06-07-2005 still true or has something else been discovered? Even if something else has taken your fancy further I'll still get this. I have had for at least 9 months a Rosalyn Tureck Goldberg on piano but really desire the harpsichord's sound.


http://www.lafolia.com/archive/griev...3goldberg.html

IMO also a good review for Frisch's performance of the Goldberg.

In the same online magazine, in-and-out's of the music as described by Beth Levin, Jorg Eward Dahler, et al.
http://www.lafolia.com/archive/levin...goldbergs.html
 
Mar 27, 2007 at 2:17 PM Post #188 of 298
I still rate the Frisch Goldbergs highly. They are a wonderful set. However, the Rousset Goldbergs which are also excellent are now available in a boxed set with the partitas, chromatic fantasy, and some other solo works that by far represents the best bang for the buck.
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Other recordings of the Goldbergs that I love include both of Pierre Hantaï's recordings and Ketil Haugsand's. One of the Hantaï recordings of the Goldbergs has been used for the soundtrack of the French/Japanese Movie Stupeurs et Tremblements (appparently Kierkegaard has his fans everywhere). I suspect it's the second recording as the soundtrack is also on the Naïve/Mirare label and it's a good deal less expensive than the original Mirare version. His first Goldbergs, offered on the Opus 111 label now are also available at CDUniverse for about $15 (US). Please note that the Opus 111 Goldbergs are the ones recognized by most critics as among the finest ever recorded and that they are available with 2 different covers. They are also available at Arkivmusic, even if unavailable from Amazon.

If you have found the Tureck a bit mechanical (and many do), then try the Perahia Goldbergs on piano to see how pianistic color can enhance them. Be warned: If you are tempted by the SACD recording, it dates from the earliest period of SACD recordings and it is NOT a hybrid. If you will be interested in ripping it for ipod or any other reason, you should get the stereo recording. The SACD is also only 2 channel rather than multichannel or 3 channel SACD. and there is (unfortunately) not very much difference between the two.

Any of these Goldbergs or the ones recommended by Masolino will be very satisfying. The Frisch is my favorite, but it's still very expensive. It does include Café Zimmerman's recording of the 14 Canons based on a theme from the Quodlibet in the variations. Other good budget Goldbergs would be the Gustav Leonhardt or the Maggie Cole (includes a 2nd cd with Italian Concerto, Chromatic Fantasy and other works) recordings.

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BTW, I know what all this information can do, so in advance I'll apologize for your wallet, which is something we are always doing in the classical threads.
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Mar 27, 2007 at 3:58 PM Post #189 of 298
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BTW, I know what all this information can do, so in advance I'll apologize for your wallet, which is something we are always doing in the classical threads.


Thanks Bunny. I found one that appears to be available and ordered it though I won't be surprised if I hear back that it's unavailable. I've also just ordered the Rousset from a local seller despite an absolutely odious shipping fee. They're in my neighborhood!
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I think I have like 5 or 6 CDs in the mail including Vänskä Beethoven to satisfy the audiophile. Two days ago in the used music store I spied an 11 cd Pinnock Mozart symphonies set and bought it (with a 'Hitsville USA 1959-1971 Motown singles' box set).

I'm not buying another thing for at least a month.
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Mar 27, 2007 at 8:08 PM Post #190 of 298
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I'm not buying another thing for at least a month.
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How about some free Bach on concert video? If we can count
Brandenburg V among JS's keyboard concertos (the first one
ever actually) there is some splendid footage from the Swiss-
group I Barocchisti cond. Diego Fasolis. His spanking new
Brandenburg SACD discs on the Arts label are currently being
hyped at the internet classical music forum.

http://www.rtsi.ch/trasm/coro/welcom...part=1&ids=560

At the bottom of page, go to page 2. Fasolis as the soloist in
the fifth is among the fastest and flashiest ever I have seen
(or heard). Totally campy, totally over-the-top, yet he is so
much fun to watch.
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Mar 28, 2007 at 2:47 AM Post #191 of 298
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How about some free Bach on concert video? If we can count
Brandenburg V among JS's keyboard concertos (the first one
ever actually) there is some splendid footage from the Swiss-
group I Barocchisti cond. Diego Fasolis. His spanking new
Brandenburg SACD discs on the Arts label are currently being
hyped at the internet classical music forum.

http://www.rtsi.ch/trasm/coro/welcom...part=1&ids=560

At the bottom of page, go to page 2. Fasolis as the soloist in
the fifth is among the fastest and flashiest ever I have seen
(or heard). Totally campy, totally over-the-top, yet he is so
much fun to watch.
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Okay, now you have me very interested...

Hmm, from the back it looks like Patrick Stewart is playing the harpsichord and conducting...
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Wait a second, You can download all of the Brandenburg concertos at that link, not just the 5th, and save them to disc. Hopefully, they won't self-destruct after 5 or so playings.
 
Mar 28, 2007 at 5:43 AM Post #192 of 298
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Okay, now you have me very interested...

Hmm, from the back it looks like Patrick Stewart is playing the harpsichord and conducting...
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Wait a second, You can download all of the Brandenburg concertos at that link, not just the 5th, and save them to disc. Hopefully, they won't self-destruct after 5 or so playings.



Yes....but to stay in topic, I deliberately didn't mention the other
five... And how does one save them to disc? I thought it
couldn't be done with real audio. (But, good news, real audio
files are not known to self-destruct, either)

Wait until you see the sixth, where Fasolis looks like as if he was
impersonating Patrick Stewart impersonating Liberace. Did I
actually see some other musicians stealing a chuckle at their
entertaining conductor doing camp? Their Bach is very alive, though,
compared to how most Brits (or Americans, to be fair)
play this music on period instruments.
 
Mar 28, 2007 at 1:52 PM Post #193 of 298
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Yes....but to stay in topic, I deliberately didn't mention the other
five... And how does one save them to disc? I thought it
couldn't be done with real audio. (But, good news, real audio
files are not known to self-destruct, either)




First, I have autostart disabled on my laptop. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but when I pressed the download button (broadband), I received the option box as to what to do with the files: open or save to disc. Open was checked, so I unchecked it and checked save to disc.

I don't know how good the download quality is, but it sounded quite good (much better than Itunes, anyway). I also don't know whether I'll be able to burn them to cd or dvd or whether I'll be able to transfer them to ipod, but I'm going to try to do this in the days coming. If someone more savvy than I knows what the possibilities are, please post!

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Wait until you see the sixth, where Fasolis looks like as if he was
impersonating Patrick Stewart impersonating Liberace. Did I
actually see some other musicians stealing a chuckle at their
entertaining conductor doing camp? Their Bach is very alive, though,
compared to how most Brits (or Americans, to be fair)
play this music on period instruments.


He really does remind me of Patrick Stewart! With the extreme spot lighting, one can easily imagine the whole ensemble aboard the Star Ship Enterprise, hurtling through the universe bringing Bach to the Cosmos.
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Mar 28, 2007 at 3:54 PM Post #194 of 298
After listening to these Brandenburgs, I have to say that they are definitely recorded in warp speed! These must be the speediest Brandenburgs I've ever heard. Perhaps a bit too fast for my taste; as soon as music gets interesting, it's over. I wish DF would have stopped to smell the flowers occasionally and let the music breath.
 
Mar 28, 2007 at 7:38 PM Post #195 of 298
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After listening to these Brandenburgs, I have to say that they are definitely recorded in warp speed! These must be the speediest Brandenburgs I've ever heard. Perhaps a bit too fast for my taste; as soon as music gets interesting, it's over. I wish DF would have stopped to smell the flowers occasionally and let the music breath.


Dear Bunnyears,

But I love it...! Particularly when I saw DF end his long cadenza in concerto V with a flourish/glissando, I couldn't but think this is one the most iconoclastic/fun interpretations of the piece that I know of. Same thing about his choice of generally fast tempi. I don't think I really understand it when you say, "as soon as music gets interesting, it's over." Perhaps you use it only as a metaphor, meaning you think it is too fast? To me, the music IS interesting right from the start, and faster tempi only make me listen more keenly to what is happening. Take MAK's pioneering "fast" Brandenburgs for example. People used to complain loudly about its "lack of breath" due to the "breakneck" tempi used, but that seems to have changed over the years. I now see in internet forums and online reviews far more positive responses than negative ones about Goebel's set. What happened? Maybe people have finally "got it." I think it's a bit like doing (musical) aerobics, in which breathing does get easier as one gradually sets into the exercise routine.
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