mlthelasher
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I was able to try a test pair at my local HiFi store, they are pretty good, but not $400 good.
I was able to try a test pair at my local HiFi store, they are pretty good, but not $400 good.
I was able to try a test pair at my local HiFi store, they are pretty good, but not $400 good.
Keep in mind that they take a while to break in. The bass, in particular, gets better over time - the initial harshness is all but gone after a couple of months and the sub-bass extends a bit lower too (although don't get them for the sub-bass).
Another important point to remember when trying them at the store, is that the Aptx is not on by default - you need to hold the Vol+ rocker while turning them on to enable it (the blue light will then blink 3 times). Of course, this will only matter when testing with FLAC / ALAC material (as you should).
And last but not least, are you sure you tested the MK2 version in the store? To the best of my knowledge the 1RBTMK2 are not available in the US stores.
Remember, these are $400 closed cans, and wireless to boot, including a long feature set including S-Master, hi-res audio capability, DSEE, NFC, AptX, 30-hour battery, playback controls, mic (althogh the mic is next to unusable), a dedicated phone button and, arguably, the best comfort in the segment.
Therefore, it would be unreasonable to expect them to sound like $400 open wired / passive cans. Heck, the Zik 2.0 cost the same (at least in my country) and don't even have AptX (but they do have a gimmicky app that adds room reverb).
Having said all that, I wouldn't pay $400 for the MDR-1RBTMK2 either, just because I hate paying full retail for anything. In fact, I paid about half that for a brand new grey import (through a local seller) and extremely happy with them at that price.
I am really looking forward to pairing them with a Z4 Compact next year, providing my current phone holds up for a few more months.
I don't think he was talking about the BT version, this thread is about the wired can with built in DAC and amp.
I have tested this with the MDR-1A and to be frank MDR-1A sound better without the build in DAC.
Mid and bass sounded similar on the MDR-1ADAC but the soundstage is much smaller
and not to mention the frequency response is lower for digital connection.
Songs with low frequency may not play that well on the MDR-1ADAC than the MDR-1A.
My advice, get the MDR-1A will do as it doesn't even need to be amp to sound nice.
It's kind of hard to decipher what you saying there other than you like the MDR1-A better.
Active headphones are good, but I doubt it can touch anything with an external DAC. Now, if somebody can invent a powerhouse with slim profile DAC...that would be just perfect
Do I understand correctly that your initial impression is that the main improvement over the 1RBTMK2 is better sub-bass? If that's the case I'm not sure I could justify the upgrade as I'm not going back to corded cans unless I'm promised absolute audio nirvana, but it would be interesting how these compare to the upcoming MDR-1ABT.
You can hear more detail and the isolation is better. But if you though the treble or midrange is a bit lacking in the 1RBTMK2 then I think you will be disappointed.
Also if you always put your MK2's into the APTx mode (by holding down volume + when turning on) then you won't have much a difference with these.
I listen to A LOT of online radio, from 32kbps AAC talk stations all the way up to 320kbps MP3 streams.
One thing I noticed today: The ADAC is very forgiving with lower bit rate media. Listening to AAC streams with the MK2 sometimes you might get a slight shriek or sudden spike in the treble, that doesn't occur at all with these.
Sony say they have designed these to upscale low bit rate media nicely, and I believe them. It could also be like comparing a "box car" driving through the mud to a 4WD driving through the mud - as in the very fact that an external DAC is being used probably makes the low bitrate much better. It might be like a freezer manufacturer telling me it will keep my food colder than the competing fridge technology does - i'm not sure on that one - but the claim stacks up in real life let's put it that way.
The other advantage to going back to wired for me is wifi interference. I use a wifi mobile broadband modem to give me cheaper data in the city ($3.34 per Gb vs $10 per Gb), while my main number remains with Australia's most expensive carrier for the enhanced voice quailty (and wow does HD voice sound great) and rural coverage (i go rural often). With bluetooth headphones I often find that music can be interrupted or drop out (even playing from local files) because bluetooth and wifi are operating in similar bands and interfering with each other. That's rare (but does happen) with the MK2 but it's REALLY bad on the Bluedio R+ 8 Track whcih I also own.
Also if you are often maxing out the volume on your MK2's because the bluetooth output isn't strong enough on your phone, then I think you will be happier with these.
Please Sony, let the MDR-1ABT have APTx on by default (or at least let the user choose a setting that sticks). It's one of the most annoying things for an audiophile using the MDR-1BT MK2.