Aune T1 USB Tube DAC+ SS Amp Discussion Thread ***See first post for FAQ--Updated on 02/14/15***
Sep 9, 2015 at 6:51 AM Post #7,396 of 8,309
 
Sure! I just bumped into them while searching, but be sure to check for some reviews first, didn't have the time to do some research on all of them yet.
Not a big collection of Aune T1 compatible tubes, but still worth checking imho:
http://www.transformatorspecialist.nl/pd-27033-1-9514/product/buizen  --> warning, 12,10 EUR shipping costs, yikez!
https://www.jukebox-revival.eu/staging/tubes-valves.html > Ordered a Gold Lion:many shipping options, many payment options, quickley replied when contacted
http://www.drtube.nl/nl/online-store/buizen/18
http://www.baco-army-goods.nl/radiobuizen-buisvoeten.html?p=1
http://triplemaudioshop.nl/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=76&Itemid=151
http://www.tonefactory.nl/buizen-amp-parts?cat=177
 
If you do decide to purchase something from one of them, let me and others know how it went?
I'll do the same of course
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Hi 2Dutch,
 
Thanks for the links. Appreciate it.
Strange that whenever i search for it, I never , even for once, happened to bump into any one of these links.....
 
I will let you know as and when i buy any tube, but probably nothing for now.. i might consider Telefunken 6dj8 probably. (NOS or NEW).
 
cheers,
Prashant 
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM Post #7,397 of 8,309
  Hi 2Dutch,
 
Thanks for the links. Appreciate it.
Strange that whenever i search for it, I never , even for once, happened to bump into any one of these links.....
 
I will let you know as and when i buy any tube, but probably nothing for now.. i might consider Telefunken 6dj8 probably. (NOS or NEW).
 
cheers,
Prashant 


No problem, hope there's a shop that has the tube you want. I'll receive the Golden Lion in a day or 2 I hope.. Kiala/UPS service point is a handy option for us Dutch folks. Will go for ebay to try out some simple, cheap tubes that won't come from overseas (as in oceans..). But don't forget about Marktplaats: saw a Telefunken and some Philips tubes on there as well..
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM Post #7,398 of 8,309
 
No problem, hope there's a shop that has the tube you want. I'll receive the Golden Lion in a day or 2 I hope.. Kiala/UPS service point is a handy option for us Dutch folks. Will go for ebay to try out some simple, cheap tubes that won't come from overseas (as in oceans..). But don't forget about Marktplaats: saw a Telefunken and some Philips tubes on there as well..

Yes, i do keep a tab on marktplaats as well, but everytime someone says that an X item is available, when i go and check out on it i rarely get to see it 
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 probably i am bad at searching through communities, dunno....
 
I already got my Orange globe and Voshkod from the US since i knew a colleague of mine who was travelling for a week to the US. I got it pre-delivered to my other colleagues who are permanently based out of that location. It sometimes is good to have colleagues who keep travelling back and forth :wink:
 
anyway, keep us informed about your tubes.
 
Sep 9, 2015 at 5:17 PM Post #7,399 of 8,309
How are you guys liking the Aune?  It seems that al ot of people love going tube hunting :).



Still on the fence about buying one, event hough I almost did have one last night :frowning2:?
 
Sep 10, 2015 at 4:51 AM Post #7,400 of 8,309
  How are you guys liking the Aune?  It seems that al ot of people love going tube hunting :).



Still on the fence about buying one, event hough I almost did have one last night :frowning2:?

I love the way Aune T1 makes a difference to the clarity of the songs that i listen through it. Have started hearing a lot more details than i used to hear it in the songs i have listened to for many years. It may be placebo effect, but i am hearing it.. so that matters quite a lot.
 
The AMP part, as has been discussed in great detail, is not really the highest end category and is just average. What i have seen and what i intend to do is to use the tube buffer output as in input to a more powerful and better tube headphone amp. I've been eyeing on the BH Crack or any of the SCHIIT products. I have not pulled the trigger so far but eventually will do so. reason being i am tied up quite badly with work and barely get time to listen to songs at leisure at home as well (especially with my tiny toddler asking for attention which is more hard to resist 
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 )..  but some day..!
 
I guess if you are on the roll for a change, go ahead it wont dissappoint you and also it doesn't make a big hole in your wallet either.
 
Sep 10, 2015 at 11:38 AM Post #7,401 of 8,309
 

Sorry, I kind of messed up and I guess didn't mention that I already am purchasing 2 pairs of headphones.  The Yamaha HPH MT220's and the Pioneer HRM-7's.


#3  A lot of people have recommended open, but then when it comes to actually recommending a piar, I've been given basically open back choices.


#4 thanks for the tips.  I'm not sure what the headphones I posted, or the HE-400S's would be good with this amp/dac?


In the end I'm looking at an Amp/DAC that will work well with both the Yamaha and the Pioneers.

I was recommended this one from one person who had recommended both the Yamahas and the Pioneers (not the only advice I'm taking, but he seems to know what he's talking about for the most part).

Do you think this wouldn't be the amp/dac I'm looking for, since you mention "punchy?"  Would it be good to get an additional amp, with this one?

The user had mentioned that he believed the amp was really good, and better than a lot of others, but a lot of other people mention the amp sucks, but I've heard the MK2 has a better amp than the MK1, but also heard that to be false.....


Maybe it is the capacitors like claimed?  You'll have to link me your guide, I guess it's worth it to change them?

I also was told that the amp also takes advantage of the tube, even though it's a Tube DAC?  The first post mentioned it's not a tube amp, but mentioned something about the "amp taking advantage of the tube" but was extremely vague on it.

Thanks for the tips, hopefully I can find the best setup for myself :).

Still not 100% sold on the headphones, but haven't really gotten many other options :frowning2:

 
So both headphones you are considering are low impedance, which means they may not sound their best driven from a higher impedance amplifier, such as tube gear. Having said that, it's not like they would automatically sound "bad" - you just may find that they sound "better" with a lower impedance source.
Here are the specs for both headphones: Yamaha is 37 ohms http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/accessories/headphones/hph-mt220_w/
Pioneer is 45 ohms https://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/headphones/hrm-7/black/specifications
 
I haven't heard these headphones, so I honestly couldn't answer how the T1 would handle dynamics with these headphones. I will say that the amplifier in the T1 is very simple/cheap, and does not offer the same dynamics that you may find in more expensive, or sophisticated amplifier circuits. The amplifier in the Mark 1 and Mark 2 is the same. There is no difference between the amplifiers in either T1 model. The difference between mk 1 and mk2 is the USB receiever, in that mk2 is an asynchronous USB connection, which normally results in lower jitter. Lower jitter often results in less distortion, and a higher noise floor, which may translate into a better sound. It may also be a very subtle difference, depending on the listener.
 
Changing the capacitors will result in a slightly more dynamic sound. For the most part, the power capacitors are the ones which help the most. I heard a more defined body, deeper bass, and slightly better dynamic range. (The Panasonic FR capacitors).
 
The tube is in the DAC section only, however it will change the sound going into the amplifier, if you are using the USB DAC input on the T1. The amplifier itself is a simple op-amp, and does not use any tubes. A tube amplifier is completely different than the tube buffer that is in the T1. The tube "completely" changes the sound of the T1, but only when you are using the USB DAC of the T1. The tube is NOT in the amplifier section... it is a tube buffered DAC.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Sep 10, 2015 at 9:25 PM Post #7,403 of 8,309
  I love the way Aune T1 makes a difference to the clarity of the songs that i listen through it. Have started hearing a lot more details than i used to hear it in the songs i have listened to for many years. It may be placebo effect, but i am hearing it.. so that matters quite a lot.
 
The AMP part, as has been discussed in great detail, is not really the highest end category and is just average. What i have seen and what i intend to do is to use the tube buffer output as in input to a more powerful and better tube headphone amp. I've been eyeing on the BH Crack or any of the SCHIIT products. I have not pulled the trigger so far but eventually will do so. reason being i am tied up quite badly with work and barely get time to listen to songs at leisure at home as well (especially with my tiny toddler asking for attention which is more hard to resist 
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 )..  but some day..!
 
I guess if you are on the roll for a change, go ahead it wont dissappoint you and also it doesn't make a big hole in your wallet either.

 
Thanks for the info.  I hear this makes thing sound great, especially with better tubes :)))


 
   
So both headphones you are considering are low impedance, which means they may not sound their best driven from a higher impedance amplifier, such as tube gear. Having said that, it's not like they would automatically sound "bad" - you just may find that they sound "better" with a lower impedance source.
Here are the specs for both headphones: Yamaha is 37 ohms http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/accessories/headphones/hph-mt220_w/
Pioneer is 45 ohms https://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/headphones/hrm-7/black/specifications
 


Thanks for the information, I am extremely new to this all, so I just going off of recommendations.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/780299/amp-dac-recommendations-for-my-headphone-choices-new-to-amps-dacs

I made this thread and I got recommended this amp by @inthere he also recommended both of the headphone choices.  I ended up not getting the Yamahas, because I couldn't find a reliable return policy, in case I disliked them.

I have been recommended a Grado 325e so I might rent that from "TheCableCo" to test it out and see if it's for me :).  How does that rank in "impedance?"





 
I haven't heard these headphones, so I honestly couldn't answer how the T1 would handle dynamics with these headphones. I will say that the amplifier in the T1 is very simple/cheap, and does not offer the same dynamics that you may find in more expensive, or sophisticated amplifier circuits. The amplifier in the Mark 1 and Mark 2 is the same. There is no difference between the amplifiers in either T1 model. The difference between mk 1 and mk2 is the USB receiever, in that mk2 is an asynchronous USB connection, which normally results in lower jitter. Lower jitter often results in less distortion, and a higher noise floor, which may translate into a better sound. It may also be a very subtle difference, depending on the listener.
 
 

I'm just going off of what @inthere says but I am definitely interested in something that you think would be "Better" for these Pioneer headphones?

You can also read @inthere's comments about this amp and how he says it likes it better than the magni/asgard??

I'm not sure how others like the amp, but he's really loving it.

Thanks for the info on it all, though.

Quote:
 Changing the capacitors will result in a slightly more dynamic sound. For the most part, the power capacitors are the ones which help the most. I heard a more defined body, deeper bass, and slightly better dynamic range. (The Panasonic FR capacitors).


It seems like some people reported a big difference, but who knows.  One user recommended me a guide, but I never got the link so...  It should be on one of the last few pages that he mentioned it.

It seems like, from what you're saying is that there was a decent improvement :).

Quote:
  The tube is in the DAC section only, however it will change the sound going into the amplifier, if you are using the USB DAC input on the T1. The amplifier itself is a simple op-amp, and does not use any tubes. A tube amplifier is completely different than the tube buffer that is in the T1. The tube "completely" changes the sound of the T1, but only when you are using the USB DAC of the T1. The tube is NOT in the amplifier section... it is a tube buffered DAC.
 
Hope this helps.


So how much does each part matter in a setup?  It seems this Tube DAC really makes a difference, from your comments "the tube completely changes the sound of the T1."  So I'm assuming the DAC is a drastic change.  How much does an amp matter then???

All of this is new to me, so I'm really not sure what to do :frowning2:.

Thanks :)
 
Sep 11, 2015 at 6:18 AM Post #7,404 of 8,309
   
Thanks for the info.  I hear this makes thing sound great, especially with better tubes :)))


 

Thanks for the information, I am extremely new to this all, so I just going off of recommendations.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/780299/amp-dac-recommendations-for-my-headphone-choices-new-to-amps-dacs

I made this thread and I got recommended this amp by @inthere he also recommended both of the headphone choices.  I ended up not getting the Yamahas, because I couldn't find a reliable return policy, in case I disliked them.

I have been recommended a Grado 325e so I might rent that from "TheCableCo" to test it out and see if it's for me :).  How does that rank in "impedance?"





 

So how much does each part matter in a setup?  It seems this Tube DAC really makes a difference, from your comments "the tube completely changes the sound of the T1."  So I'm assuming the DAC is a drastic change.  How much does an amp matter then???

All of this is new to me, so I'm really not sure what to do :frowning2:.


Thanks :)

Eurobeat,
 
Since you are new into the world of unlimited possibilities, would suggest that you start off with something minimal 
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, keep trading in stuff or try listening to other fellow member's setup in your neighborhood (if any).
 
 if you buy a lot of items just going by reviews, sooner we might see most of those items in the Classified Section
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 if you do not happen to like it. the only recommended way with this hobby/passion is to listen listen listen ( try friends, stores where audition is possible, as mentioned : fellow neighborhood members ).  Nothing to discourage you, just my simple view...
 
Take your time, it is well worth the wait if you can get something you really can enjoy for hours and years together until ugraditis hits you again :) 
 
 
cheers,
Prashant
 
Sep 11, 2015 at 8:12 PM Post #7,406 of 8,309
  Eurobeat,
 
Since you are new into the world of unlimited possibilities, would suggest that you start off with something minimal 
wink_face.gif
, keep trading in stuff or try listening to other fellow member's setup in your neighborhood (if any).
 
 if you buy a lot of items just going by reviews, sooner we might see most of those items in the Classified Section
atsmile.gif
 if you do not happen to like it. the only recommended way with this hobby/passion is to listen listen listen ( try friends, stores where audition is possible, as mentioned : fellow neighborhood members ).  Nothing to discourage you, just my simple view...
 
Take your time, it is well worth the wait if you can get something you really can enjoy for hours and years together until ugraditis hits you again :) 
 
 
cheers,
Prashant



I bought a pair, and am going to try that out, and go from there.


I just need an amp/dac combo recommendation.

@inthere swears by this but it seems it's a higher impedance amp?  I would assume for the price it would be lower, but not sure if impedance correlates to price i.e., lower-lower and higher-higher.
 
Sep 14, 2015 at 1:48 PM Post #7,407 of 8,309
I have an interesting observation with my T1 MK2. I am using sennheiser HD558 with impedance 50 ohm. I am using philips mullard SQ tube with it. So first I thought it is better to use the headphone without any gain. The sound was very good and warm. But recently I switched on 10db gain and sound is now more open and better sounding. Of course I had to decrease the volume a little bit to match the sound. I don't know it's supposed to be or just my imagination. I think I am enjoying more with my T1.
 
Sep 14, 2015 at 4:24 PM Post #7,408 of 8,309
Sop I got the pioneer headphones today, will try them out shortly, but didn't get a message back from @mikoss about high and low impedance.


This dac seems relly cool, and it seems like Tubes kick ass, but are there other Tube DACS that are good?  Would it be best to work with a tube amp?


Thanks all :) 
 
Sep 14, 2015 at 5:34 PM Post #7,410 of 8,309
  Little dot I is also good



Thanks.  Someone mentioned that apparently there is a jumper switch that you can chance the impedance of the Aune with?

Sounds like one of the little covers you put over switches, like on a motherboard for a computer.

If so then this seems to be what Iwant to get :)
 

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