Audiophile headphones?

Mar 2, 2009 at 6:28 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 35

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What makes audiophile headphones audiophile? For example, the sennheiser PX100 is less than 100 dollars, and considered "audiophile". But there are plantronics, creative labs, alteclansing headphones (not headsets) that cost the same price, like 50 dollars or more, that are not considered audiophile. People don't talk about them here.

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Mar 2, 2009 at 6:33 AM Post #2 of 35
more money =/= better.
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 6:35 AM Post #3 of 35
First, I am going to skip right over the term "audiophile". I feel so conceded when I refer to myself as an audiophile.

Pretty much what makes a headphone a good headphone is its ability to reproduce music properly, regardless of price. Looking at all those headphones you posted above, it looks like they all boast music reproduction quality, but you know how marketing works.
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 6:41 AM Post #5 of 35
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Originally Posted by scytheavatar /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I don't consider the PX100 to be of audiophile quality. Heck I don't consider the KSC75 to be of audiophile quality too. The bare minimum is something like the SR60.


At least it's talked about here as an "entry" headphone. I don't see anyone mentioning logitechs or plantronics.
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 6:42 AM Post #6 of 35
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At least it's talked about here as an "entry" headphone. I don't see anyone mentioning logitechs or plantronics.


That tells you what the others are considered to be.
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 6:55 AM Post #8 of 35
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The original question was why.


Then opposed to me hinting it, I will just say it. They don't sound very good. I have heard one of the above, and if they are all in the same class, I could tell you right now I wouldn't really waste money on them. $100 can take you decently far in the head-fi world. Especially with Grados, considering the lower end ones sound pretty good and don't really need amping.
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 6:57 AM Post #10 of 35
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Originally Posted by Goit /img/forum/go_quote.gif
What makes audiophile headphones audiophile? For example, the sennheiser PX100 is less than 100 dollars, and considered "audiophile". But there are plantronics, creative labs, alteclansing headphones (not headsets) that cost the same price, like 50 dollars or more, that are not considered audiophile. People don't talk about them here.

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I'd say the term "audiophile" is subjective. I mean, many people give up their Apple earbuds in exchange for Bose and consider the latter to be "audiophile".
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 6:58 AM Post #11 of 35
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Then opposed to me hinting it, I will just say it. They don't sound very good. I have heard one of the above, and if they are all in the same class, I could tell you right now I wouldn't really waste money on them.


Why do headphones of similar price when made by "mainstream" brands like creative, sound no where near as good as "specialized" brands like Grado? Do the mainstream brands defraud you so much? Like if they release a 300 dollar headphone it will be at the level of a 50 dollar headphone from a "specialized" brand?
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 7:02 AM Post #12 of 35
The difference is marketing.

If you took Skullcandy drivers, put them in a fancy aluminum enclosure, added an Etruscan leather headband, tarted up the package, rolled out the marketing (including shills and viral marketing - print/banner ads are passe and recognized as ineffective by almost all ad agencies) charged $700, then they'd get attention. Especially the price tag - you'll see price frequently used as a mark of quality here. It's assumed that there must be something to justify a $700 price tag other than increasing the margin.

That comes across as excessively cynical, I know, but consider the various headphones made for professional use. There are many excellent pro headphones that are barely mentioned here. Some of them are, in my opinion, far better than headphones typically recommended here. Why? First, and most importantly, they're not marketed to this audience. If there's no beating of the drums (viral or otherwise) there's an assumption that the gear isn't up to the quality of what is being promoted. Second, the prices are often "too low." When "the best" costs $1,400 or $1,700 (regardless of cost of production and overhead, mind you), then a pro can at $300-$400 must not be as "good" as the one with a several hundred percent markup.

If you're looking for value, look to pro gear that's made a crossover to cult audiophile status. You typically get the benefits of heavier construction, years of parts availability, accurate sound, and a much more reasonable price. That, and popular DIY projects are good value. The "many eyeballs" adage is true. Flaws will be stamped out by the geeks (and I mean "geek" in the best possible way) and you can source parts at market value, without the ego-stroking markups. $500 in parts in a DIY amp is usually looked down upon by those with $500 of parts in a $3,000 amp. Don't buy it. Learn how to cost gear yourself and then decide if it's worth paying for.
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 7:02 AM Post #13 of 35
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Originally Posted by Goit /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Why do headphones of similar price when made by "mainstream" brands like creative, sound no where near as good as "specialized" brands like Grado? Do the mainstream brands defraud you so much? Like if they release a 300 dollar headphone it will be at the level of a 50 dollar headphone from a "specialized" brand?


They do not defraud. I would not say that at all. Bose being the best example. I personally do not believe that any of their headphones are a rip-off. They just strive for different goals when compared to an "audiophile" headphone. They strive for build quality, noise canceling, comfort, style, brand name recognition, etc. When compared to something like the lower end Grados, the Bose sound much worst, but pretty knock out win in the above goals.

Furthermore, most people neglect to recognize that most of these "mainstream" branded headphones are closed. Many of the cheaper "audiophile" headphones are open, which are considerably easier and cheaper to design.

Also, "audiophile" headphones tend to need to be amped. Designing a headphone which requires amping to sound good is a lot easier than developing one to sound good while running off something like an iPod Nano.
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 7:07 AM Post #14 of 35
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Originally Posted by Goit /img/forum/go_quote.gif
What makes audiophile headphones audiophile? For example, the sennheiser PX100 is less than 100 dollars, and considered "audiophile". But there are plantronics, creative labs, alteclansing headphones (not headsets) that cost the same price, like 50 dollars or more, that are not considered audiophile. [size=medium]People don't talk about them here.[/size]

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You answered your own question
 
Mar 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM Post #15 of 35
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The difference is marketing.

If you took Skullcandy drivers, put them in a fancy aluminum enclosure, added an Etruscan leather headband, tarted up the package, rolled out the marketing (including shills and viral marketing - print/banner ads are passe and recognized as ineffective by almost all ad agencies) charged $700, then they'd get attention. Especially the price tag - you'll see price frequently used as a mark of quality here. It's assumed that there must be something to justify a $700 price tag other than increasing the margin.

That comes across as excessively cynical, I know, but consider the various headphones made for professional use. There are many excellent pro headphones that are barely mentioned here. Some of them are, in my opinion, far better than headphones typically recommended here. Why? First, and most importantly, they're not marketed to this audience. If there's no beating of the drums (viral or otherwise) there's an assumption that the gear isn't up to the quality of what is being promoted. Second, the prices are often "too low." When "the best" costs $1,400 or $1,700 (regardless of cost of production and overhead, mind you), then a pro can at $300-$400 must not be as "good" as the one with a several hundred percent markup.

If you're looking for value, look to pro gear that's made a crossover to cult audiophile status. You typically get the benefits of heavier construction, years of parts availability, accurate sound, and a much more reasonable price. That, and popular DIY projects are good value. The "many eyeballs" adage is true. Flaws will be stamped out by the geeks (and I mean "geek" in the best possible way) and you can source parts at market value, without the ego-stroking markups. $500 in parts in a DIY amp is usually looked down upon by those with $500 of parts in a $3,000 amp. Don't buy it. Learn how to cost gear yourself and then decide if it's worth paying for.



What are those "pro" headphones that you talked about? Do brands like Sennheiser not count as pros?
 

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