Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7 Discussion Thread

May 7, 2018 at 10:00 AM Post #2,431 of 2,808
Are you lot still arguing with that guy. I clicked the ignore button, now I can only see one side of the argument. :)
Anyone can comment/argue here mate. If you don't feel like commenting, plz dont. I just need subject Cans owners to shares their opinions about a specific area of my interest. Any how thanks alot for your input/info shared
 
May 7, 2018 at 11:54 AM Post #2,432 of 2,808
So, I got to modding the MSR7 so that they play better with the HM5 pads. And boy, oh boy, did I do just that... Let's start!

First thing you do is take the pads off, and undo the 8 screws underneath. Should be pretty self explanatory. Then you gently take the baffle off (GENTLY, unless you like soldering) and you can see a small hole covered by a felt in the center.

Then you have to take the middle plate off the cup. To do this, you lift the small piece of tape holding the wire (don't yank it because it may pull the wires with it, and save it somewhere safe) and then pull (again, gently, there's more soldered thin wires beneath that) the whole thing while wiggling it a bit. After a while the cup should be seperated from the middle plate. Line up the top baffle that holds the driver with the lower part so that the little wire is straight and pull the midplate upwards so that it goes away from the cup and closer to the baffle. Here you can see the little felt ring from behind.

Remove it gently, so that you don't rip it (although it does hold itself together well, even though the adhesive is quite strong) and save it somewhere in case you want to revert the whole thing. Then put the whole thing back together. Boom, that's it. No potentially distortion causing materials in front of the drivers, no nothing. Just added bass. I think that there's even more than stock, even when using the HM5 pads. I also think it sounds a bit more open and leaks a bit more sound, but that could be the pads, so I digress. Now I have to make the pads fit more snuggly in the groove somehow, 'cause they're big and they got stretched when I was using them over the whole cup and now the elastic band is a bit loose. Meh.

@ModiHiFi I think you more than anyone will appreciate this. Just give it a try, you're gonna love the result! Maybe even give it a shot with your own mods with the batting fleece over the driver and see what happens! Down the road I'm gonna experiment with filling the cups with cotton or, if I can find any, polyfill. But as it stands I'm more than happy with the result!
Quick update on this. I tried it with the stock pads too. It's almost what I expected. There's added bass, but not a whole lot, strangely. The change isn't as big as with the larger pads. But the bass is a bit heavier and boomier, with more impact. However, it feels kind of... stuffed. It's not as alive sounding as stock, like the highs are wee bit recessed. Still, the cans are warmer sounding with the mod, it just sounded strange to me, warm sounding MSR7s. Wasn't bad AT ALL, just different, like a mix between the MDR-1A and the MSR7. Happily, the volume change I was noticing is there indeed, these need a tad higher volume with the HM5 pads. I'm not going deaf at 24, so I got that going for me!

Back to the HM5s for now. Even without factoring comfort, the experience is quite a bit better than stock MSR7s. The sound signature with the felt removed is almost the same as stock, but they got a little better bass and they don't get as fatiguing at higher volumes. Although that last part could be just me getting used to these, I suspect it's because my ears aren't directly touching the drivers. Can't know until more people try it.

I'm really thinking about opening a new thread about this. I see the MSR7 as having quite the modding potential after having taken them apart. The driver is phenomenal, it's the cup's tuning that held back the bass (if one can call it held back). I just feel like they are old news and most owners aren't checking this thread frequently any more. Which is sad, because they deserve the attention.

With all that said, could anyone that has other larger pads try this? Even the HM5 sheepskin ones will satisfy my curiosity at this point! And it's not like it's a hard thing to do, neither is it irreversible. :)
Are you lot still arguing with that guy. I clicked the ignore button, now I can only see one side of the argument. :)
Come on, don't be harsh. I mean, having someone not listen to what you're saying when you know you're right is frustrating, but come on, that's not how we do things around here. :)
Anyone can comment/argue here mate. If you don't feel like commenting, plz dont. I just need subject Cans owners to shares their opinions about a specific area of my interest. Any how thanks alot for your input/info shared
True that. Just hear what others have to say, even when they don't specifically answer what you asked. There's people way more experienced that both of us here, so don't dismiss someone when they tell you something. Like, in your case, the difference between an open, analytical, narrow sounding, detailed pair, an open, really wide sounding, bass heavy pair and a closed, detailed, bright, bass light and noise canceling pair of cans is night and day. Even the comparison between the two open pairs is almost invalid because they're so different, but I could get how one would be looking at both of those. The MSR7 just didn't fit in that comparison. I hope we helped you in your decision, but you were comparing apples to tomatoes, not even oranges.

With that said, if you're still looking for closed, bassy cans, I'd take a look at the Sony MDR-1A too!
 
May 9, 2018 at 3:31 PM Post #2,433 of 2,808
Hey, sorry for spamming the thread guys, but I've run into a bit of an issue and need help.

So, today I took my MSR7 to the library to listen to some music. I ran into a friend there and he wanted to try the HM5 pads on his M40x, so we spent a few minutes swapping pads back and forth. Although I think the problem had started a few days ago and I attributed it to one pad being slightly thicker than the other, when I returned inside the library after messing around, my left channel was playing at like 90-95% the volume of the right one and it was infuriating. Then, I left them aside in their case and tried them again when I returned home. Then I tried them again and the left channel was almost not playing at all. At first I thought it was completely dead, but lifting the right cup I realized it was playing, but at like 10-20% of the right one's volume. I tried swapping pads to the stock ones, nothing. Tried different cables and different sources, still nothing. Opened the headphone up to see if anything was loose, still nothing. I decided to try them again and then the volume was almost back to normal, but I had heavy distortion on the left. I was pretty sure I had killed it, but then I took the pad off and I saw a piece of hair on the driver's diaphragm. I Googled and I realized that hair can do that and make the driver sound like it's blown.

I tried blowing inside the housing but nothing. Then I picked up a wooden toothpick and still couldn't get the damn thing out without risking damaging the thing too heavily. I mean, I once touched the diaphragm and it's so damn thin that I was afraid it'd pop on me. Then in my desperation I grabbed a straw and sucked air from the holes of the driver housing and only then did I manage to the little person out. And surely enough, volume was almost ok with no distortion. BUT, the left channel still plays ever so slightly quieter than the right and I can't for the life of me figure out why. It's driving me all sorts of crazy and I'm afraid my MSR7 might be done for (Which is a real shame 'cause I was looking to buy an open set too, but I love the MSR7 too much and would probably get another pair if these got destroyed). What's worse is that I cant figure out a way to actually get INTO the driver to clean it. I can take the whole assembly off, but I can't take the plastic cover off (the one with the holes over the driver, what you see when you take the pads off).

I'm getting really depressed here guys. Any help at all would be appreciated. Even general tips on headphone (driver) maintenance. I even debated creating another thread, but I thought I'd ask here first. Still, I'm kind of desperate for a fix. :frowning2:

PS : The exposed portion of the wire that connects to the driver is longer on the left side than on the right. Is there any chance that might have anything to do with it?
 
May 10, 2018 at 5:02 PM Post #2,434 of 2,808
I do have SHP9500 and MSR7 for at least 1 year, they are completely different in tonality and timbre.
MSR7 - a little on the cold side, but mostly neutral, bass is textured but nothing special, very different bass than SHP9500 (closed vs open lol).
SHP9500 - on the warm side (regarding highs, they are a little sparkly and rolled off, opposite to HD700/800 metallic highs), bass is mostly one note, uncontrolled, fluffy, I can feel vibrations of the entire headphone every time bass plays and is annoying, I can listen louder than MSR7 but I don't feel like it's playing louder but I notice quickly that my ears hurt because of high loudness, pretty sure of the grainy sound which makes everything sound mushy and dirty. Too much decays. Boring signature, i get bored fast while listening to music. Rock sound very busy and boring. Vocals are more intelligible on SHP9500 than MSR7 (yes, I said it). SHP9500 gives impression of big soundstage but it's fake soundstage created by decays (every note sound "longer" than it should (wet sound). MSR7 is opposite: dry, thin and slight metallic. HD700/800 is pure metallic. SHP9500 it's plastic knife. MSR7 is good for gaming. MSR7 are good for gaming only for the improved imaging, but soundstage is weird and having a thin signature, it sounds really weird on games/movies. SHP9500 are more enjoyable for gaming or movies. $60 is the right price for them, too much hype.

for me: cold (metallic highs), warm (sparkly highs), neutral (between cold and warm).

Anyway, JBL LSR305 studio monitors, same price as MSR7, destroys both in resolution and musicality and everything else.

MSR7 should only be used for the purpose they were created and that is music enjoyment on-the-go.

Woah! I have the exact same setup as you and I can agree with most however, I've gone through a bit of DSP with both headphones and I enjoy them a lot RN. As for the JBLs, no DSP, they sound great as they are.

I do however find the MSR7 pads to be a bit small for my ears, and the lack of headband is apparent after an hour or so of using them.
 
May 10, 2018 at 5:17 PM Post #2,436 of 2,808
I've been using these at work. Love them. Came in a deal with fiio x5iii. I didn't expect much but they are great
 
May 11, 2018 at 7:10 AM Post #2,437 of 2,808
I got my MSR7 a couple of months ago and I've already lost perspective of what other headphones sound like.
Yesterday I was shopping with the missus at a store with listening stattion for Sennheiser and Sony headphones. I listened to the 1000XM2, Momentum 2 over ears and some of the HD series.
I did not enjoy them at all. I felt like there was no clarity, way too much mid /upper bass and distortion all over the place.
A lot of these headphones were quite a bit more expensive than my MSR7 too!
Is it just me or is the MSR7 an insanely good set of cans?
 
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May 13, 2018 at 10:23 PM Post #2,438 of 2,808
I got my MSR7 a couple of months ago and I've already lost perspective of what other headphones sound like.
Yesterday I was shopping with the missus at a store with listening stattion for Sennheiser and Sony headphones. I listened to the 1000XM2, Momentum 2 over ears and some of the HD series.
I did not enjoy them at all. I felt like there was no clarity, way too much mid /upper bass and distortion all over the place.
A lot of these headphones were quite a bit more expensive than my MSR7 too!
Is it just me or is the MSR7 an insanely good set of cans?
Yeah, the MSR7 are phenomenal. Especially connected to the right source, they can produce some spectacular sound. In my opinion the other closed cans in their price range can't even compare, gotta go open to have anything better.
Hey, sorry for spamming the thread guys, but I've run into a bit of an issue and need help.

So, today I took my MSR7 to the library to listen to some music. I ran into a friend there and he wanted to try the HM5 pads on his M40x, so we spent a few minutes swapping pads back and forth. Although I think the problem had started a few days ago and I attributed it to one pad being slightly thicker than the other, when I returned inside the library after messing around, my left channel was playing at like 90-95% the volume of the right one and it was infuriating. Then, I left them aside in their case and tried them again when I returned home. Then I tried them again and the left channel was almost not playing at all. At first I thought it was completely dead, but lifting the right cup I realized it was playing, but at like 10-20% of the right one's volume. I tried swapping pads to the stock ones, nothing. Tried different cables and different sources, still nothing. Opened the headphone up to see if anything was loose, still nothing. I decided to try them again and then the volume was almost back to normal, but I had heavy distortion on the left. I was pretty sure I had killed it, but then I took the pad off and I saw a piece of hair on the driver's diaphragm. I Googled and I realized that hair can do that and make the driver sound like it's blown.

I tried blowing inside the housing but nothing. Then I picked up a wooden toothpick and still couldn't get the damn thing out without risking damaging the thing too heavily. I mean, I once touched the diaphragm and it's so damn thin that I was afraid it'd pop on me. Then in my desperation I grabbed a straw and sucked air from the holes of the driver housing and only then did I manage to the little person out. And surely enough, volume was almost ok with no distortion. BUT, the left channel still plays ever so slightly quieter than the right and I can't for the life of me figure out why. It's driving me all sorts of crazy and I'm afraid my MSR7 might be done for (Which is a real shame 'cause I was looking to buy an open set too, but I love the MSR7 too much and would probably get another pair if these got destroyed). What's worse is that I cant figure out a way to actually get INTO the driver to clean it. I can take the whole assembly off, but I can't take the plastic cover off (the one with the holes over the driver, what you see when you take the pads off).

I'm getting really depressed here guys. Any help at all would be appreciated. Even general tips on headphone (driver) maintenance. I even debated creating another thread, but I thought I'd ask here first. Still, I'm kind of desperate for a fix. :frowning2:

PS : The exposed portion of the wire that connects to the driver is longer on the left side than on the right. Is there any chance that might have anything to do with it?
Although I opened a seperate thread about it in the hopes that I get some help there (https://www.head-fi.org/threads/one...other-audio-technica-msr7-help-needed.879646/), I thought I'd post here again as things aren't looking good here. :(

So, I took the damn things apart again. Seems there's a few pieces of what looks like dandruf on the diaphragm, but I'd say they are too few to cause any problems. Can't see any hair or anything large, but I can only see so much with the plastic screen in the front of the thing. Another thing that caught my attention is that the lower portion of the wire connecting the jack to the left driver is a bit... Damaged. Like it was caught between two sharp edges and then squished. It's not cut, but the outer insulation is damaged. Other than that it seems fine, though. Could it be that? Could I do anything about that aside from resoldering the whole thing? I've never soldered anything in my life, so that would be potentially problematic. (Direct copy from the other thread)
 
May 14, 2018 at 12:17 AM Post #2,439 of 2,808
I think the driver is dead. For what reason I don't know, because they just die when they do. The general things to do would still be keep them in boxes and stay away from smoke/pets.

Regardless, if I could still get replacement drivers for my ATH-AD2000, there should be no problem sending the MSR7 to Audio Technica for servicing. Almost all audiophile manufacturers I know offer driver replacement, hopefully that's the case with the MSR7.
 
May 14, 2018 at 2:04 AM Post #2,440 of 2,808
I think the driver is dead. For what reason I don't know, because they just die when they do. The general things to do would still be keep them in boxes and stay away from smoke/pets.

Regardless, if I could still get replacement drivers for my ATH-AD2000, there should be no problem sending the MSR7 to Audio Technica for servicing. Almost all audiophile manufacturers I know offer driver replacement, hopefully that's the case with the MSR7.
Well, that's what I'm afraid of, that it's actually dead. And my 3 options at that point would be : 1) Just giving up and getting something else or another pair of MSR7, 2) contacting Audio Technica and hopefully have them sell me a driver, which would require soldering that I have no idea about or equipment for, or 3) have them repair my MSR7, which could actually make a replacement more cost effective for me, as I bought mine used for just over 100€. Sigh... I dunno man, getting depressed here. Thanks for your input though!
 
May 14, 2018 at 11:01 PM Post #2,441 of 2,808
I got my MSR7 a couple of months ago and I've already lost perspective of what other headphones sound like.
Yesterday I was shopping with the missus at a store with listening stattion for Sennheiser and Sony headphones. I listened to the 1000XM2, Momentum 2 over ears and some of the HD series.
I did not enjoy them at all. I felt like there was no clarity, way too much mid /upper bass and distortion all over the place.
A lot of these headphones were quite a bit more expensive than my MSR7 too!
Is it just me or is the MSR7 an insanely good set of cans?
I mean you're not wrong but I think Momentum 2/Meze 99 etc are really just as good.

Comparing MSR7 to open cans is a loosing battle though that's for sure.
 
May 15, 2018 at 9:05 AM Post #2,442 of 2,808
I mean you're not wrong but I think Momentum 2/Meze 99 etc are really just as good.

Comparing MSR7 to open cans is a loosing battle though that's for sure.
Nahhhh. IMO the Momentum 2 don't even compare. I find the MSR7 much better. The Senns sound bloated to me, lacking detail, being veiled a bit. Also, the clarity and treble on the MSR7 is, again, IMO, unrivaled by any closed cans I've heard.

With that said, the Meze 99? Sure, they are comparable, but VERY different. I remember hearing them side by side with the MSR7 (and an Audeze EL8 I didn't like, really) and on one side you had the bright, thin, detailed MSR7 and on the other side there were the Meze, which were much bassier and warmer and mellow sounding. Not bad at all, I just don't like the way they look and feel on my head too much.
 
May 20, 2018 at 1:05 PM Post #2,444 of 2,808
So, in case anyone still reads about it every time I post, it seems that my trouble with one channel playing quieter than the other was a combination of 2 things. One of them is definitely the HM5 pads. One of them is... Crooked. Something's wrong with it and it makes the side it's on sound muffled, like it's farther away from the ear than the other side is.
The other problem, turns out, seems to have been some dirt/small hair on the driver that eventually got shaken out while playing music. It must have been wedged very well in there 'cause I've been trying for days to clean them with no success. Then, suddenly, the balance was back. Now, the problem persists but it's smaller in intensity, it exists only with the HM5 pads and not with the stock ones like before, and it also follows the pad that's problematic. So yeah, I guess I'll just get another set of pads I guess. HM5 sheepskins seem like a safe bet. @ModiHiFi, did you end up trying my mod with the sheepskin pads? If yes, did you like it?
Can someone please suggest pads which can improve sub bass and reduce the sibilance, Msr7 has at high volume.
I don't know of any pads that do that. Most pads that are larger/deeper than stock will accentuate the treble while reducing the bass. That is, with the headphones otherwise stock. You could try searching a few pages back for a mod I did that involves HM5 pads and removing a felt ring from the back of the cup of the cans. It's quite easy and does exactly what you want. It might even play well with other pads that way, but it kind of ruins the sound with the stock pads IMO, they sound a bit bloated but with still elevated highs, so yeah...
To quell the highs in any configuration,, you can try putting "filters" in front of the driver, between it and the pad. It can be simple stuff like toilet paper (smooth 2-ply preferably, you can apply multiple layers of it if needed) or coffee filters, or it can be things built for that purpose, like acoustic foam or something. You can mess with it all you want that way. The guy I quoted above, ModiHifi, suggests a fleece material from Vlieseline (low loft batting 248) that works well for him. I haven't tried it myself, but I trust what he said and you could try that or something similar. If I'm not mistaken, it's the stuff they use to fill thick jackets and stuff.
 
May 21, 2018 at 9:54 PM Post #2,445 of 2,808
There seems to be a lot of enthusiasm (hype). How are these compared to AD2000 or W5000. Are they more detailed and transparent?
 

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