eric343
Member of the Trade: Audiogeek: The "E" in META42
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DBT-free forum.
Originally Posted by eric343 There is a reason why so many high-end audio products are either strongly grounded in tried-and-true designs (e.g. Ray Samuels, Rudistor) or created by engineers with decades of analog experience (HeadAmp, LaRocco) -- and so few true high-end products by people like this guy. |
Originally Posted by JB. Um . . .I don't think that you think that I am as smart as you think I think I am. |
Originally Posted by JB. I’m also not claiming to have any special knowledge here- I’m just sick of the continual retreat of reason in high-end circles. |
Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27 The only reason why they don't want to talk about DBT is that they don't want to reach the startling conclusion that some of the things they believe and spend thousands of dollars on are, in fact, untrue. |
Originally Posted by aerius Article on THD and measurements Excerpt: New Methodology for Audio Frequency Amplifier Testing (PDF File) Excerpt: Read both articles in their entirety. |
Originally Posted by ChaosCow You guys are missing the point. The author probably could go for pages backing this stuff up. He wants you to ABx everything you buy. BE SKEPTICAL. Don't just say "I disagree, I'm gonna go buy some $2000 cables now." Double-blind test them. His inflammatory tone should make you mad. So DO something about it. Don't sit about hopelessly moaning "I swear I can tell a difference. Really." Go test your beliefs! The audio critic challenges you - prove him wrong! He's asking for it! Boy, what a jerk! Show him who's boss! And, if he's right, he's right. You've rationally done a double-blind test. It's an experiment. It's fun. You're a scientist, without any technical mumbo-jumbo! |
But at times, I feel the crux of the subjectivist argument is this: «...science and data can never explain the world, so don't give them too much power!» Yes, it can. Science is doing amazing things that one never thought possible. Some day, science WILL understand the world, as long as we have enough time. For every effect, there is a cause - things don't just "happen". Naturally, that creates a problem for "the beginning", but I'll think about that later. But I can guarantee that if you demonstrate to me any, ANY phenomenon, there is a cause. So believing good sound just "happens" with magical (and coincidentally expensive) components for no real reason is insane. |
Originally Posted by Ferbose Thanks a million! The thesis you linked is the most interesting article written about audio I have EVER read--no kidding. |
If all the research advances presented in this thesis is his original idea, I think this person may some day revolutionize how we measure audio equipment. His conjecture on why CD may sound no better than LP is very intriguing. I am ultra impressed by this thesis. If his theory can be verified by more measurements and listening tests, we might see a major leap in our understanding of music perception and audio equipment design. |
I wish I could meet and talk to this person about audio someday--seriously. Aerius--is there any chance this person may be a registered member on head-fi? |
I keep my own audio world DBT-free as well. |
Originally Posted by meat01 I think that is obvious, or else you would realize that most of what this author is saying is true |
Originally Posted by PhilS Interesting contention. So what's your experience with the items referenced in the article, both in terms of long terms use and comparisons between specific equipment or devices? |
Originally Posted by JaZZ Just for the record: This is a DBT-free forum. And with good reason. I keep my own audio world DBT-free as well. |
Originally Posted by haydenlake ..snip What interests me the most are the topics of cables, power conditioners, and burn in. .. |
Originally Posted by JB. This effectively gets at the heart of the discussion; the preference of anecdotal evidence over quantifiable knowledge. |