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jonchard
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Annnnnddddd????I have to work for a couple more hours, but I have already informed my partner to turn on the amplifier to have the tubes fully warmed up and ready
Sorry I couldn't double post!Still listening
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I must say that the LCD-24 has awed me with its presentation. It does need EQ, but after EQ, it's right up there as one of my best headphones I have heard.
The soundstage creates a very unique presentation. It's definitely the most holographic presentation I have heard in a planar. There is an insane amount of space and air between all the instruments. Everything is separated and spaced out into the soundstage with an amazingly deep stage as well. Instruments can come from anywhere and everywhere in the soundstage. It's a night and day difference against the LCD 4, not even HEKSE has anywhere near this good of a soundstage. As Audeze reps put it, it has a more speaker like presentation which is how I would describe it.
LCD 4 bass goes deeper with more impact if a song needs it but 24 bass is more defined and resolved in the mid-bass which makes it sound a lot better on songs that just rely on mid-bass impact. I actually prefer the bass on the 24 as a whole because after EQ, it slams and hits amazingly hard with greater definition. The drivers in the 24 have very low distortion so they will take EQ very well like the 4.
The midrange detail is also better on the 24. The midrange is clearer with more separation of the instruments happening in the soundstage which creates a much more believable stage. I think the LCD 4 keeps its cool better when the music gets really busy so it will have an edge on the 24 there. The imaging is better on the 24 because notes can come from anywhere in the soundstage compared to much more constricted stage on the 4.
Instruments and vocals sound a little more rich on the 4 but it's not to say these aspects on the 24 sound bad at all. I'm still getting a very warm and lush presentation on the 24 but to a lesser degree. electric guitars sound better on the 4 but acoustical guitars sound better on 24. Drums are actually a lot better on the 24 with the added detail and placement in the soundstage. The drums hit from very deep in the soundstage making them sound a lot more realistic.
The 24 is a very special headphone after some EQ. I do prefer the presentation it offers better than the 4. The weight is also reduced and I have never had any issues with long listening sessions unlike the 4.
Fun to read about the 24. Never had a chance to compare it to the 4, but it sounds like it compares well.Sorry I couldn't double post!
I must say that the LCD-24 has awed me with its presentation. It does need EQ, but after EQ, it's right up there as one of my best headphones I have heard.
The soundstage creates a very unique presentation. It's definitely the most holographic presentation I have heard in a planar. There is an insane amount of space and air between all the instruments. Everything is separated and spaced out into the soundstage with an amazingly deep stage as well. Instruments can come from anywhere and everywhere in the soundstage. It's a night and day difference against the LCD 4, not even HEKSE has anywhere near this good of a soundstage. As Audeze reps put it, it has a more speaker like presentation which is how I would describe it.
LCD 4 bass goes deeper with more impact if a song needs it but 24 bass is more defined and resolved in the mid-bass which makes it sound a lot better on songs that just rely on mid-bass impact. I actually prefer the bass on the 24 as a whole because after EQ, it slams and hits amazingly hard with greater definition. The drivers in the 24 have very low distortion so they will take EQ very well like the 4.
The midrange detail is also better on the 24. The midrange is clearer with more separation of the instruments happening in the soundstage which creates a much more believable stage. I think the LCD 4 keeps its cool better when the music gets really busy so it will have an edge on the 24 there. The imaging is better on the 24 because notes can come from anywhere in the soundstage compared to much more constricted stage on the 4.
Instruments and vocals sound a little more rich on the 4 but it's not to say these aspects on the 24 sound bad at all. I'm still getting a very warm and lush presentation on the 24 but to a lesser degree. electric guitars sound better on the 4 but acoustical guitars sound better on 24. Drums are actually a lot better on the 24 with the added detail and placement in the soundstage. The drums hit from very deep in the soundstage making them sound a lot more realistic.
The 24 is a very special headphone after some EQ. I do prefer the presentation it offers better than the 4. The weight is also reduced and I have never had any issues with long listening sessions unlike the 4.
Richy Hughes
100+ Head-Fier
By trustworthy accounts I can find, the 24 is basically the 4Z tech and chassis but with a few less magnets in the array, arranged more spaciously. Staggered (a-la 2), rather than stacked. Interesting to hear from an end-user how that affects the sound presentation.
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It's a very similar driver to 4z but at a different sensitivity with the magnet structure of the LCD 2. It's a shame how few of them were produced as my serial number is 113 and I doubt they made more than 200 of them, maybe less. Some people didn't even know this headphone existed when I told them of this acquisition.
There are caveats to the 24. EQ and the right tubes are a must but once you get the right setup, it's like no other planar I have heard. It is just more of a spectacle due to its soundstage. The timbre is better on the LCD 4 but with tubes, the 24 timbre can be massively improved over solid state.
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jonchard
500+ Head-Fier
I just didnt care much for the LCD-4z. I utterly love the LCD-4 but also admit that if i could have only one headphone, it would not be the LCD-4. Its a great headphone, but its not good enough to be the only headphone. If there was no Immanis, it would be a Susvara. I will keep a look out for LCD24. Can it EQ to same the same bass levels and control as LCD-4?
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For me, the 4 is more detailed than the 4z and 24 is more detailed than the 4.
I think that Audeze really unleashed the true potential of these 4z drivers in combination with the LCD 2 magnets. It stops trying to emulate the 4 and provides a completely different presentation that overtakes the other two in some key areas. The weight reduction is also a big plus for making it a main headphone.
The 24 already has more "control" and definition in the bass than the 4. The bass is tighter but you are still getting an amazing impact and punch with these when you EQ, without any distortion as well.
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know creativity
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How does the Nitsch compare to the Aegis for getting authoritative bass out of the LCD-4? I’m still looking for that ideal amp to drive ZMF dynamics and the LCD4 to prioritize not just punchy but toe-tapping bass, a holographic sound stage, and clear but not shrill highs.LCD-4 (Camphor Burl) + Nitsch DSHA-3FN ....
From my experience the LCD4 needs power for the bass, so I was curious if you like the Nitsch-LCD4 combo for other reasons or it is actually able to produce bass as authoritatively as some of your other amps!
jonchard
500+ Head-Fier
My Soul 170 pushes the LCD4 to their limits and in a frightening way. Zero distorion. Works really well with Immanis, Abyss and recent reviews saying best experience with hard to drive Modhouse Tungsten (I have not owned these). There are a few Soul 170HAs in the classifieds!
know creativity
New Head-Fier
The specs on that are truly tantalizing, but it’s too rich for my budget!
ansel1
Head-Fier
I'm a little curious now about the "headphone power amplifier" Zeos recently advertised, the "Valencia"...I totally didn't get the concept initially, but it's interesting. I use my LCD-4 with the Decware ZMF OTL amp, and generally, it works great, but occasionally I do want a little more volume than that amp can do. It's an appealing thought that you could use *any* headphone with *any* amp.
I know generally pre-amping can do this, but I guess the claim here is that the Valencia is more transparent and will let all the color of the source amp through.
ansel1
Head-Fier
It's like a speaker power amp. No volume. Volume must be controlled by whatever you plug into it (so either the regular or pre-amp outputs of another amp, or I guess output from a DAC with volume controls)
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