Audeze LCD-24 LIMITED EDITION - now including impressions and comparisons
Sep 16, 2019 at 11:17 PM Post #16 of 153
How can I get this playlist in my Tidal app? When I click the link it opens Tidal in my web browser. Awesome, detailed impressions, BTW, thanks.

When you clicked on it, did it bring up the playlist in a web browser? If so, under "play in tidal" you should see smaller type that says "or open in our web app" just click on the text and it should come up in the tidal app. Below is a photo with the text circled in red.

tidal.PNG
 
Sep 16, 2019 at 11:33 PM Post #17 of 153
Ok!

Ready to provide some initial comparisons..... First, a few unboxing photos :gs1000smile:

As usual, Audeze has done a nice job on the shipping box. The internal pelican case is completely isolated from all 6 sides of the box. You would be surprised to know not everyone does this. If you look up my unboxing of my Meze Empyrean's you will see that they left a bit to "chance". Should also note that even though this is an all-plastic case (vs. Meze metal, or Focal wood) it feels and looks significantly more substantial that many of my other cases. Maybe one day I'll do a side by side case review....



Not a lot to write home about in the case contents. Audeze leather conditioner, stock cabe (more on that later) user guide, and serial number (I'm within the first 20 manufactured)





I work from home a few days a week, and when I do, I spend most of the day wearing one of my headphones. I've settled into a rhythm of switching between hifiman HE 1000 V2's, and Audeze LCD3's (with a little modification) as both are very comfortable for long periods of time. One of the primary reasons I was really interested in the LCD-24's is the prospect of getting TOTL open back performance in a lightweight package that I could wear all day. Thus, many of my comparisons will be against the Hifiman HE 1000 V2's, as they are my goto every phones.

Audeze LCD-24 vs. Hifiman HE 1000 V2




The system used for the test:

Music software: Tidal
USB out to Chord HUGO 2 acting the DAC (thus, not true MQA output, so all songs are played non-MQA lossless)
Auris Headonia 2a3 headphone amp

Each headphone used it's supplied stock 1/4 chord. Only modifications I made between headphones was to dial in the proper impedance and modify the amp volume to provide a consistent measured SPL out of the headphones.

Tidal test songs - playlist available here: https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/ffa5b190-5f3a-44c8-aae8-8bd21e7136a3

Bass:

First thing I want to know.... what does the bass sound and feel like.

I wanted to see how well the 24's resolve flooded bass vs the Hifiman's.

There is no better track than Alexandre Desplat's "Jupiter and Oracle+Aboriginal Dogs" from the Isle of Dogs soundtrack. It's a rich weaving of western-influenced gregorian like chants infused with saxophone, bassoon, and a few other instruments, overlaid with Japanese Taiko drums and clappers for good measure.

The Gregorian like intro to the song sounds good on almost any headphone with basic bass capabilities. When the other layers start to get added, one can quickly hear the resolving power and true bass credentials a pair of headphones bring to the table.

Besides being very light on my head, the Hifiman headphones have always provided a very tight bass response. The 24's matched the tightness and speed of the hifiman's, but brought with it the impact and bass attack Adueze has become famous for. There was a three-dimensionality to the presentation that wasn't lacking in the 1000's, but WAY more apparent in the lcd-24s. The soundstage is much wider. We are not talking about Abyss levels of bass response - still slamming, but much more controlled and refined. As the complexity of the track increased, the LCD-24 started to pull away from a quality perspective (tightness, speed & 'slam' ) Never became muddled or distorted, and each bass instrument (voice,sax, drum) was clearly articulated. The Stacatto like taiko clap between drum hits isn't a bass note, but I couldn't help hearing a definite difference in speed "quality" between the HE1000's and the LCD-24's, and frankly, I wasn't expecting this. Maybe there was a resolving power issue. I swear with the 24's, I could picture and hear in my mind the independent sound of the drum stick and how it integrated into the sound of it hitting the Clapp side of the drum. I put the HE's back on, and I couldn't hear it.

To make sure my brain wasn't playing tricks, I pulled out my Focal Utopia's, and sure enough, there was that subtle drumstick "tap". Now that I found a little nugget, I started pulling out other headphones to see if I could hear this supper subtle detail.

HD800's - no, HD820's - yes, but subtle. Meze Empyreans - no, LCD-3's - no. 64 Audio A18T IEM's - yes. Stax 007's - yes (although the rest of the bass was so diminutive, I was a little startled by the sound...) LCD-4's - No!


second song: These Bones by the Fairfield Four

This is an all-bass acapella group, whose lead singer in the song, Joe Thomson has the most incredible bass velvety pipes you likely ever hear. As a funny side note, He' a full-time special needs school bus driver, and does this on the side with his church. He won a grammy a few years back (when he was 80!) and thanked all his friends at the transportation department.


The divergence in tonality and quality was so large between the HE1000's and the LCD-24's in this song, I had to recheck the impedance and volume settings to make sure there wasn't something wrong. In this song, the deviation between the two was like the difference between listening to a great recording (HE1000's) and being in the room (LCD-24's). The sound was significantly more articulate and expansive. I *think* what I'm hearing with the LCD-24's is a much more expansive soundstage with a harder-hitting bass with the same quality speed and tonality of the HE1000's. I had a Cheshire grin listening to this on the LCD-24s.

Again, for a quick gut check, I pulled out the LCD-4's and listened again. The LCD-4 definitely have a more impactful bass "slam". The speed and tonality seem indistinguishable, but the soundstage on the LCD-24's seems wider, yet tighter at the same time. What do I mean by that? that the musicians within the larger soundstage were locked in. The larger soundstage is really coming from the ambients (reverb, etc...). I pulled out the HD-800's, my usual goto for a wide soundstage, and the LCD-24's were not quite that wide, but in the ballpark. I wonder if this is something Audeze was trying to accomplish, or if it's just a byproduct of the design. Either way, it's the widest soundstage of any Planar I've used, and I've used a lot of them.

Mids

I choose one song, "Hunting Wabbits" by Big Phat Band

This is a tongue-in-cheek tribute to old school Saturday morning cartoons played by some of the best studio musicians in the business. Sax's, Trumpets, Trombone's, percussion, Piccolo's play multiple interweaving leads in a ridiculously fast staccato playing style. I've played instruments most of my life, and I don't think I could play any part in this piece.

Wow! The LCD-24's have the same full-bodied midrange of the LCD-4s. Very well balanced. When returning to the 1000's, I detected a bit of sibilance and the subtleties I heard in the lcd-24 (musicians taking in breaths, piccolo valves tapping) was still there, but much less obvious. Again, there is a resolving power difference between the two. I had a hard time just comparing the LCD-24's to the LCD-4's on this piece of music, as there are certain passages that bring in big slamming bass notes which are much more pronounced on the LCD-4s. I have to say though, that I *think* I like the presentation better on the LCD-24. How the bass melts into the mids seems more natural and pleasing to my ear. Both the LCD-24 and the LCD-4' were amazing at separating and articulating all of the layers of sound when this piece gets going.

Just a quick vs on the Meze Empyreans - While I love these headphones, and they are the best looking of the bunch, they sound downright muddy on this particular track vs. the LCD's, HD8XX's and Focal. I wish I could explain the difference a little more, but it's like looking out of a window with a screen, vs one without. Everything was there, it just didn't seem to have the chops to keep up.

From an articulation perspective, the LCD-24's were no match for the focal utopia though. I don't think there are many headphones that are. Given how fast this piece is played, the Utopia's incredibly stiff beryllium driver seems to reproduce every nuance better than the LCD-24's, but only noticeable when A/B testing.

High's

Song - "Sleepless" by Cazzette

Sleepless is an all-synth dance song, with the main singer's voice going through a treble tuned vocoder. Lot's of highs, a good thumping bass halfway through the song and lots of layers as the song goes on.

hmm... Well, the Hifiman's held there own pretty good on this song. There isn't a lot of subtlety to the instruments or the singing (it's a vocoder) so my mind wasn't 'alerted' to hear those differences. In fact, I would say this is an excellent song to show off the 1000's. Once the bass line comes in, it's a bit of a different story. LCD-24's start to slam in a way that just forces my head to start bopping back and forth. 1000's still did well here, and this was like the difference between the 24's and the utopia's as I'm not sure I could call out big differences without doing back to back A/B testing.

Meze Empyreans also did well here, but I think both the Hifiman and the LCD-24's extracted a bit more resolution and had a bit more musicality to them.

You may have noticed at this point I haven't thrown in many comparisons to the LCD-3's. Honestly, they were just outgunned here, and once that became obvious after the first playing, I thought the LCD-4's would be a better comparison.

For good measure, I'll add one more song - Haydn: String Quartet in D off the Nordic Sound album.

Both the HE1000's and the LCD-24's resolved a lot of detail in the piece (bow hits, slight vibrato fingering, etc...). The LCD-24's were a little more transparent, a little "richer" with a superior soundstage. Did a quick A/B with the LCD-4's and this may be the one song where the LCD-24's sounded better to my ear. Maybe the soundstage might be the overlapping lows to mids which were just a little less dramatic.


As I get more time with the headphone, I'll post some more specific info, and maybe more detail on some specific head to head comparisons.

From my perspective, these are keepers.Very comfortable and lightweight on the head. I do have a bit of an issue with long-term wear, as my ears felt a bit like they were sweating after a few hours. This is something I would normally feel in a closed-back headphone like the Senn 820's. Again, I don't have a lot of time with them, so we'll see how this goes after I get used to them.

Thanks for the great write up. This is the most comprehensive write/comparison so far on the LCD 24. Keep us up to date with more comparisons particularly with the LCD 4 and the Empyrean, which have more similar sonic characteristics to the 24. Also, it seems like the difference between the 24 and 4 is that the 24 is more resolving albeit with less bass impact than the 4?
 
Sep 16, 2019 at 11:59 PM Post #18 of 153
When you clicked on it, did it bring up the playlist in a web browser? If so, under "play in tidal" you should see smaller type that says "or open in our web app" just click on the text and it should come up in the tidal app. Below is a photo with the text circled in red.

Ok that did the trick. Thanks man!
 
Sep 17, 2019 at 12:29 AM Post #20 of 153
Thanks for the great write up. This is the most comprehensive write/comparison so far on the LCD 24. Keep us up to date with more comparisons particularly with the LCD 4 and the Empyrean, which have more similar sonic characteristics to the 24. Also, it seems like the difference between the 24 and 4 is that the 24 is more resolving albeit with less bass impact than the 4?

Thank you for the kind words.

I’m not sure I’m ready to say the 24 has more resolving power yet. I could definitely hear some things listening to the 24 that I couldn’t with the 4, but it may be because the stronger bass on the 4 is pulling my brain away from the details which are happening simultaneously.

I’ll try and answer this with more testing.

Ok that did the trick. Thanks man!

Cool. Let me know your thoughts on the song “these bones”. I just can’t get over that bass voice.

Wow, great sound. I hope I have a chance to listen to LCD-24.
Anyway, is the Lcd-24 still as heavy as the Lcd 3?


Definitely lighter then the LCD-3. My lcd-3 has beautiful, but heavy wood ear ups. I had to add an aftermarket secondary leather sling head strap to make them comfortable enough for prolonged use. You can see it in the photo below ( lcd 3 on the right)

500DC10E-A842-45B3-9866-7CFE31730C13.jpeg



I’ve also been thinking about the “ear sweat” comment. I think it may be because these are brand new, and have much stronger clamp force then any of my other headphones.
 
Sep 17, 2019 at 4:26 AM Post #21 of 153
Definitely lighter then the LCD-3. My lcd-3 has beautiful, but heavy wood ear ups. I had to add an aftermarket secondary leather sling head strap to make them comfortable enough for prolonged use. You can see it in the photo below ( lcd 3 on the right)




I’ve also been thinking about the “ear sweat” comment. I think it may be because these are brand new, and have much stronger clamp force then any of my other headphones.

Thank you for your reply.

Anyway, your LCD3 earpads look similar to the Focal Utopia ear pads.

Can you tell me where you got those ear pads?
 
Sep 17, 2019 at 9:15 AM Post #22 of 153
Thank you for your reply.

Anyway, your LCD3 earpads look similar to the Focal Utopia ear pads.

Can you tell me where you got those ear pads?

Those are Dekoni Fennestrated sheepkin pads, you can find them on amazon, or here: https://dekoniaudio.com/product/dek...-lcd-series-headphones-fenestrated-sheepskin/

When the original brown pads started cracking and tearing, I originally replaced them with ZMF Auteur Pads. I liked them, but had a hard time keeping them on with double sided tape. I wasn't ready to commit to glue.....
 
Sep 17, 2019 at 11:17 PM Post #23 of 153
Those are Dekoni Fennestrated sheepkin pads, you can find them on amazon, or here: https://dekoniaudio.com/product/dek...-lcd-series-headphones-fenestrated-sheepskin/

When the original brown pads started cracking and tearing, I originally replaced them with ZMF Auteur Pads. I liked them, but had a hard time keeping them on with double sided tape. I wasn't ready to commit to glue.....

A little off topic, how do you think the fenestrated pads changed the sound (if at all)?
 
Sep 18, 2019 at 1:20 PM Post #24 of 153
Happy to see this has launched, I got to hear it at AXPONA this year and I quite liked it!

Even in that noisy space is was obvious how resolving it was and the bass stood out well despite the noise



Yea it had a gold backing at this time but Dr.C him self handed me this pair to listen too!
 
Last edited:
Sep 19, 2019 at 12:18 AM Post #26 of 153
It's been a while, but I remember thinking it changed the sound signature a bit - making it a bit worse. I really liked the original brown pads that came with it, but they are no longer sold.

Cool, I was hoping you would say that; I just ordered the Dekoni Solid pads for my LCD3. I'm pretty sure the new Audeze black pads are the exact same, just black.
 
Sep 19, 2019 at 10:06 AM Post #27 of 153
Thank you for the kind words.

I’m not sure I’m ready to say the 24 has more resolving power yet. I could definitely hear some things listening to the 24 that I couldn’t with the 4, but it may be because the stronger bass on the 4 is pulling my brain away from the details which are happening simultaneously.

I’ll try and answer this with more testing.
Gotta admit, the one thing that has me concerned, is that it seems the bass slam is missing from the LCD 4. Honestly the was the main saving grace for the 4, it's bass and slam. It seems Audeze fixed everything else with the 24, but hampered the bass impact somewhat.
 
Sep 23, 2019 at 3:19 AM Post #28 of 153
Any more impressions on these? Metal571 didn't have too many good things to say about the LCD 24 on his livestream broadcast yesterday.
 
Sep 23, 2019 at 2:11 PM Post #29 of 153
It´s obvious that Audeze have changed the magnetic structure of the lcd24 in comparison to lcd4 to save weight. They reduced the numbers of magnets and this seems to be a technical compromise for saving weight. The weight difference between both is 200g, that´s a lot and indeed a benefit for the lcd24! Also lcd24 is easier to drive. Maybe somebody could explain me how much the magnetic structure influences the sonic performance?
 
Sep 23, 2019 at 4:37 PM Post #30 of 153
It´s obvious that Audeze have changed the magnetic structure of the lcd24 in comparison to lcd4 to save weight. They reduced the numbers of magnets and this seems to be a technical compromise for saving weight. The weight difference between both is 200g, that´s a lot and indeed a benefit for the lcd24! Also lcd24 is easier to drive. Maybe somebody could explain me how much the magnetic structure influences the sonic performance?

The article below has a bit of an explanation and has a diagram showing the structures.
There is only 60 grams difference between the 4z and the 24 which is a more fair comparison since only the magnets differ(?).
Interesting also, the 4z is more sensitive than the 24 (98 to 96dB/mW) but the 24 reportedly works better with DAPs.

https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/how-planar-magnetic-headphone-drivers-work

Headphone101_PlanarMagneticDrivers_Diagram_OtherDriverCircuits.jpg


Edit: Also this for the LCD4.
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/technologically-impressive-lcd-4-planar-magnetic-headphone
 
Last edited:

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top