Aroma audio product impressions.
Mar 26, 2023 at 10:28 AM Post #1,501 of 1,895
Valuable information from yall on here no doubt. You've sold me on the jool and I'm not even gonna say my wallet hates you as it's probably gonna be manageable in the long run. @Ike1985 we probably won't be able to just upgrade as it's usually the worse of the scenarios. If you're thinking about whether something like this might come out it's probably just speculation since we've heard nothing from them. The jewel probably came out a year ago or less, not sure if they're up for upgrading it yet though they might be. On another note, I've read about the Radon and they said obviously it's more forward but loses a part of that slam :) I'm curious what you'd think of it. Also pulling the traillii out of your ears wow.

@gordec yeah valuable info there too no doubt; I'd read earlier that you had something like this done on the shell and thought that I might end up in the same boat; in any case I haven't had any experience with audiologists here in Bulgaria when it comes to earmolds. Did you get to bite on something when you had yours done? I don't know what @aromaaudio instructs.

But yeah you've all given me great info; might be time to retire that Thummim.
Thanks for your interest in Aroma!

For ear impressions, the depth of the impression should reach the second bend of the ear canal, and the mouth should be open during the process.

Btw, if you don't mind, I just want to share a little promotion with you all. We're currently offering a 15% discount on all custom IEMs, including our Jewel, using the "CIEM" discount code at checkout. It's a gem of a deal that you wouldn't want to miss out on. Check it out at https://www.aromaaudio.com.hk/custom-iem-builder.html.
 
Mar 26, 2023 at 10:42 AM Post #1,502 of 1,895
@aromaaudio When BCD Jewel and will we be able to send our current Jewel's in for the upgrade or will it be a complete replacement? Love Jewel, it's sublime with Hugo2 alone and absurdly good with H2 + CDM in amp mode.
Sorry, can you clarify what "BCD" means in your post? If you're interested in upgrading your Jewel to the CM version, we'd be happy to help you out. Just a heads up though, for the CM version, we'll be doing a complete rebuild using all drivers in your Jewel and the new sockets. All you have to do is send us your Jewel along with the ear impression, and the service will cost USD$500 plus a USD$25 delivery charge to send it back to you.

If you're interested or have any other questions, please don't hesitate to send us a PM anytime. We're always here to help!
 
Mar 26, 2023 at 10:59 AM Post #1,503 of 1,895
BCD = Bone Conduction Driver
 
Mar 26, 2023 at 5:11 PM Post #1,504 of 1,895
hello guys, this is my honest review of the Aroma Thunder.
these were loan from a friend, so it's 100% unbiased. And i need to force myself achieving this review...
So there you go!

Pros:
-2 tuning choice
-good resolution and transparency
-excellent imaging
-fast treble attack speed
-safely tuned
-smooth cohesion (even more so Focus mode)
-realist and textured timbre to warm natural timbre (dependng of mode)

Cons:
-poor bass separation and control
-lack of punch and definition of mid bass
-lean thin mids (Harmony mode)
-small intimate soundstage (even with wide bore that open the sound)
-lack of treble sparkle-decay-brilliance
-light note weight (Harmony mode)
-safely tuned
-not fun nor engaging
-driver flex
-big housing
-cheapest cable ever for a 2.5K$ IEM
-sensitive to impedance output and gain of the source

https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/aroma-audio-thunder.25814/reviews#review-30465
 
Mar 26, 2023 at 10:39 PM Post #1,505 of 1,895
BCD = Bone Conduction Driver
Thanks!! Currently, we don't have any plan to add a Bone Conduction Driver to our products. Nonetheless, we appreciate your interest and taking the time to inquire. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
 
Mar 27, 2023 at 6:22 PM Post #1,506 of 1,895
Can I ask for advice on cable? I will have a credit to go towards a cable for my Jewel at Musicteck. The following 3 cables fit my budget.

Open Box First Times
Open Box 1950s 4 wire with shielding
Brise Yotono Ultimate

my player is A&K ARCO CA1000T
The PWA cables sound very good with a very natural presentation. Just you know they are kind of heavy. I couldn't tolerate them. If you have to get PWA cable, I would start with First Time since they are the easiest to resell. I actually find Linum Superbax to be superior to both PW 1960s and FT. I tried all of them. Superbax also melts away in your ear. I understand you need to use your credits.

Also consider Cleopatra II from Effect Audio which sounds really good with the Jewel.
 
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Mar 27, 2023 at 9:03 PM Post #1,507 of 1,895
The PWA cables sound very good with a very natural presentation. Just you know they are kind of heavy. I couldn't tolerate them. If you have to get PWA cable, I would start with First Time since they are the easiest to resell. I actually find Linum Superbax to be superior to both PW 1960s and FT. I tried all of them. Superbax also melts away in your ear. I understand you need to use your credits.

Also consider Cleopatra II from Effect Audio which sounds really good with the Jewel.
thanks for this. Interesting on the Cleopatra…I havent seen many people talk about silver with the Jewel! I will definitely check it out.
 
Apr 3, 2023 at 10:33 AM Post #1,508 of 1,895
Crosspost from water cooler, some parts have been cut to stay on topic

So there has been an on-going situation with my Aroma Jewel that I wanted to share with everyone, since people keep asking me about it and I'm tired of retelling it. The following story is told exactly how I experienced it from my perspective. I tried to remain factual and to cut out any hyperbole, you can decide for yourself how I should feel about this situation.

September of 2022 I bought the universal Jewel from my buddy TGXear because it was an incredibly good deal within Canada and I wanted to give it a chance as this was at the height of Jewel's popularity. Originally I wanted to grab it so my local Toronto head-fi friends could hear it, because I figured I could always just sell it and move on if it didn't blow me away. Unfortunately, I loved it. I got to experience Jewel with my home set up under perfect conditions and was blown away by how good it was.

Loved it and decided to go custom because I prefer CIEM fit. This is a service that Aroma officially offers. I asked for empty shells to test for fit which Aroma printed using my STL, impressions that I had taken right after NYC 2022. They charged 1,499.00 HKD for the test shells, which is 190 USD. I got hit by customs for the full value of the test shells unfortunately because the package was labeled as "headphone".

They sent the test shells, I confirmed the fit and requested some minor adjustments. I sent my UIEM Jewel in along with my old Noble 4C so that they could use it for reference when adjusting the fit. They received it on November 14, 2022. I told them the design I wanted for my CIEM and then waited.

3 months later with COVID, Christmas, New Year, Lunar New Year, the Jewel was completed! I paid for the service AFTER it was completed, the price to convert UEIM to CIEM was 3,925.00 HKD which is 500 USD. I received it back on February 13, 2023.

To my disappointment, there was an issue with the left IEM after getting it back in custom. No issue with the right side at all. Basically, being plugged into any powered source would cause an uncomfortably loud humming sound from the left IEM. It was loud enough to be heard over my music, and was quite frankly unusable. There was no problem with it when plugged into a DAP, so long as the DAP didn't have a charger plugged into it.

This issue was so sensitive that I could get it to hum/buzz just by having the Jewel in my ear, 4.4 unplugged from any source, and then touching a power cable with my finger. So basically it was impossible to use with my desktop RME ADI-2 DAC FS, which even has a Super Low Noise IEM Output. Keep in mind this is not the only IEM I own, but this is the first time I've ever had this happen. I am primarily a desktop user so this was unacceptable for my use case.

I asked if anyone I knew who owned a CIEM Jewel had this issue, to which everyone replied no. I also asked if any Universal Jewel owners had this issue, because I didn't hear the noise when I had it as a universal. Obviously if I did, I wouldn't have asked to convert it to CIEM. I reached out to Aroma, asking them the cost and time to repair this issue.

Their response was to assure me that this problem has nothing to do with the IEM and that it is due to the power source's transformer.

first response.PNG


I made a video with my poor Cantonese skills explaining how I could get the left IEM to buzz even just by touching a power cable with my finger. They agreed to take a look at it after seeing the video. I sent it back to them after NYC and asked if they could repair it to hand deliver to me in Singapore. They obliged despite the rush turnaround which I appreciate and did not charge me for this. This left them with only about 3 weeks to repair the IEM. They received it on March 6 and I left them alone until I followed up on March 17.

They said they found no issue with it during diagnosis and didn't open it up to check anything. Now I understand that they are hesitant about replacing parts without being able to diagnose it, so okay I will go talk to them in person.

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So I met up with them on Saturday at CanJam SG with 0 expectations. I have to preface this by saying that their English wasn't good enough to talk about electrical theory and audio, whereas my Cantonese wasn't good enough to talk about electrical theory and audio, so we were having some trouble communicating. I try the Jewel and can immediately hear there is still an issue. Mind you this is a noisy show floor so it was difficult, but definitely could tell it was there.

From the gist of it, what I understood was that they told me the following:

This is normal behaviour when plugged into a powered source, the noise is coming from the source's transformer.

There is nothing they can do to fix this as it is normal.

They had everyone in the lab try to listen for the noise with my CIEM but couldn't hear it.

They suggested that it may be due to my hearing sensitivity to this sort of noise and even suggested that I go buy a power conditioner as the solution.

I took it back to my hotel that night to try on my DAP while charging, and it was so loud and uncomfortable I had to take it out of my ear within seconds. I inserted the CIEM upside down as well and held my ear closed to emulate a "force fit", to see if I could hear it without the perfect deep insert fit as I would experience with CIEM, and I could absolutely still hear it despite being faint. Taking this home with me to my RME would not be productive.

I showed it to another IEM manufacturer and they looked inside the translucent shells with a flashlight and said that they saw the EST transformer touching another driver. Immediate diagnosis for a potential cause.

I also tried to use it to test some cables, and just by having my DAP on the table, maybe due to all the plugged in devices nearby causing interference, I could hear the left side buzzing. This was the last straw for me so I went back to Aroma's booth and told them I wouldn't be taking it home with me in this condition. I said if this still doesn't fix it I will send it back to you to convert to universal so I can sell it.

They ended up agreeing to take it with them back to Hong Kong and actually open up the left side this time, free of charge, to re-diagnose it. I told them that someone said the EST transformer was touching another driver, as well to just in general to be more careful with the wiring and positioning of components.

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Imagine had I not flown halfway across the world how much more of a struggle this would have been to communicate. Now I am waiting for Aroma to complete the rebuild to see if the Jewel still has any issues.

To clarify: There is no problem with Aroma's communication, however I am upset at their reluctancy to offer me a solution. I've been trying to explain to them that there's a problem, but they are telling me that there's nothing wrong. I traveled half way across the world for them to tell me there's nothing wrong with the IEM, without offering a solution. Rather, they told me directly, "there is nothing we can do to fix it". I had to butt heads with them for them to take the IEM back to even look at it. That's the part that's been the most upsetting. As of now, they have taken the IEM back to open up. I don't know if this will fix anything, because again, they are absolutely certain that there's no issue with the IEM. I acknowledge there is a possibility where this is in fact just how the Jewel is and there isn't a problem.

However, you have to understand that an IEM that hums while being used with a desktop amp, loud enough to make me physically uncomfortable, coming out of only the left ear no matter how hard I troubleshoot, does not sound like acceptable behaviour for a $5000+ IEM. And I don't appreciate being told that I'm supposed to just accept this and that there is "nothing they can do about it"

As for my personal response, emotions and all:

I honestly don't have very high hopes here, and have pretty much accepted the monetary loss. Maybe I'll try to sell it if someone else wants to take the risk.

I have been on this CIEM journey since 2016, and have acquired 6 of them now. Since then I have made great connections and relationships with many Head-Fiers, many of them representing IEM manufacturers. I've still had to pay for repairs and service, but I have never once been told that it cannot be fixed.

Maybe it was the language barrier; they seemed friendly enough and were helpful, just in the wrong way. It was a lot of effort for me to convince them to take the IEM back to rebuild. It's fine if they can't diagnose it but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

This experience, regardless of who is at fault, has left a very sour taste, despite the fact that CanJam was supposed to be a celebration of the hobby. This IEM was not cheap and has honestly turned me off from IEMs in general.

If you want to buy a Jewel, let me know. It works fine, at least according to Aroma.
 
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Apr 3, 2023 at 5:52 PM Post #1,509 of 1,895
Crosspost from water cooler, some parts have been cut to stay on topic

So there has been an on-going situation with my Aroma Jewel that I wanted to share with everyone, since people keep asking me about it and I'm tired of retelling it. The following story is told exactly how I experienced it from my perspective. I tried to remain factual and to cut out any hyperbole, you can decide for yourself how I should feel about this situation.

September of 2022 I bought the universal Jewel from my buddy TGXear because it was an incredibly good deal within Canada and I wanted to give it a chance as this was at the height of Jewel's popularity. Originally I wanted to grab it so my local Toronto head-fi friends could hear it, because I figured I could always just sell it and move on if it didn't blow me away. Unfortunately, I loved it. I got to experience Jewel with my home set up under perfect conditions and was blown away by how good it was.

Loved it and decided to go custom because I prefer CIEM fit. This is a service that Aroma officially offers. I asked for empty shells to test for fit which Aroma printed using my STL, impressions that I had taken right after NYC 2022. They charged 1,499.00 HKD for the test shells, which is 190 USD. I got hit by customs for the full value of the test shells unfortunately because the package was labeled as "headphone".

They sent the test shells, I confirmed the fit and requested some minor adjustments. I sent my UIEM Jewel in along with my old Noble 4C so that they could use it for reference when adjusting the fit. They received it on November 14, 2022. I told them the design I wanted for my CIEM and then waited.

3 months later with COVID, Christmas, New Year, Lunar New Year, the Jewel was completed! I paid for the service AFTER it was completed, the price to convert UEIM to CIEM was 3,925.00 HKD which is 500 USD. I received it back on February 13, 2023.

To my disappointment, there was an issue with the left IEM after getting it back in custom. No issue with the right side at all. Basically, being plugged into any powered source would cause an uncomfortably loud humming sound from the left IEM. It was loud enough to be heard over my music, and was quite frankly unusable. There was no problem with it when plugged into a DAP, so long as the DAP didn't have a charger plugged into it.

This issue was so sensitive that I could get it to hum/buzz just by having the Jewel in my ear, 4.4 unplugged from any source, and then touching a power cable with my finger. So basically it was impossible to use with my desktop RME ADI-2 DAC FS, which even has a Super Low Noise IEM Output. Keep in mind this is not the only IEM I own, but this is the first time I've ever had this happen. I am primarily a desktop user so this was unacceptable for my use case.

I asked if anyone I knew who owned a CIEM Jewel had this issue, to which everyone replied no. I also asked if any Universal Jewel owners had this issue, because I didn't hear the noise when I had it as a universal. Obviously if I did, I wouldn't have asked to convert it to CIEM. I reached out to Aroma, asking them the cost and time to repair this issue.

Their response was to assure me that this problem has nothing to do with the IEM and that it is due to the power source's transformer.

first response.PNG

I made a video with my poor Cantonese skills explaining how I could get the left IEM to buzz even just by touching a power cable with my finger. They agreed to take a look at it after seeing the video. I sent it back to them after NYC and asked if they could repair it to hand deliver to me in Singapore. They obliged despite the rush turnaround which I appreciate and did not charge me for this. This left them with only about 3 weeks to repair the IEM. They received it on March 6 and I left them alone until I followed up on March 17.

They said they found no issue with it during diagnosis and didn't open it up to check anything. Now I understand that they are hesitant about replacing parts without being able to diagnose it, so okay I will go talk to them in person.

2nd response.PNG

So I met up with them on Saturday at CanJam SG with 0 expectations. I have to preface this by saying that their English wasn't good enough to talk about electrical theory and audio, whereas my Cantonese wasn't good enough to talk about electrical theory and audio, so we were having some trouble communicating. I try the Jewel and can immediately hear there is still an issue. Mind you this is a noisy show floor so it was difficult, but definitely could tell it was there.

From the gist of it, what I understood was that they told me the following:

This is normal behaviour when plugged into a powered source, the noise is coming from the source's transformer.

There is nothing they can do to fix this as it is normal.

They had everyone in the lab try to listen for the noise with my CIEM but couldn't hear it.

They suggested that it may be due to my hearing sensitivity to this sort of noise and even suggested that I go buy a power conditioner as the solution.

I took it back to my hotel that night to try on my DAP while charging, and it was so loud and uncomfortable I had to take it out of my ear within seconds. I inserted the CIEM upside down as well and held my ear closed to emulate a "force fit", to see if I could hear it without the perfect deep insert fit as I would experience with CIEM, and I could absolutely still hear it despite being faint. Taking this home with me to my RME would not be productive.

I showed it to another IEM manufacturer and they looked inside the translucent shells with a flashlight and said that they saw the EST transformer touching another driver. Immediate diagnosis for a potential cause.

I also tried to use it to test some cables, and just by having my DAP on the table, maybe due to all the plugged in devices nearby causing interference, I could hear the left side buzzing. This was the last straw for me so I went back to Aroma's booth and told them I wouldn't be taking it home with me in this condition. I said if this still doesn't fix it I will send it back to you to convert to universal so I can sell it.

They ended up agreeing to take it with them back to Hong Kong and actually open up the left side this time, free of charge, to re-diagnose it. I told them that someone said the EST transformer was touching another driver, as well to just in general to be more careful with the wiring and positioning of components.

response 3.PNG

Imagine had I not flown halfway across the world how much more of a struggle this would have been to communicate. Now I am waiting for Aroma to complete the rebuild to see if the Jewel still has any issues.

As for my personal response, emotions and all:

I honestly don't have very high hopes here, and have pretty much accepted the monetary loss. Maybe I'll try to sell it if someone else wants to take the risk.

I have been on this CIEM journey since 2016, and have acquired 6 of them now. Since then I have made great connections and relationships with many Head-Fiers, many of them representing IEM manufacturers. I've still had to pay for repairs and service, but I have never once been told that it cannot be fixed.

Maybe it was the language barrier; they seemed friendly enough and were helpful, just in the wrong way. It was a lot of effort for me to convince them to take the IEM back to rebuild. It's fine if they can't diagnose it but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

This experience, regardless of who is at fault, has left a very sour taste, despite the fact that CanJam was supposed to be a celebration of the hobby. This IEM was not cheap and has honestly turned me off from IEMs in general.

If you want to buy a Jewel, let me know. It works fine, at least according to Aroma.

Sorry to hear what you’re experiencing. Thats slap in the face. I would have expected better support and care from Aroma for their products and customers - this isnt just $50 iem that you can throw away.

Luckily I have no issue with my Jewel. I love how it sounds but its always be at the back of my mind that if there’s any issue with it, i would likely get 0 support.

I only have dealt with EE before when I had issue with Odin. They really look after their products even after warranty period.

Anyway, thanks for sharing the story. I will be wary in getting another Aroma in the future.
 
Apr 3, 2023 at 11:17 PM Post #1,510 of 1,895
Sorry to hear what you’re experiencing. Thats slap in the face. I would have expected better support and care from Aroma for their products and customers - this isnt just $50 iem that you can throw away.

Luckily I have no issue with my Jewel. I love how it sounds but its always be at the back of my mind that if there’s any issue with it, i would likely get 0 support.

I only have dealt with EE before when I had issue with Odin. They really look after their products even after warranty period.

Anyway, thanks for sharing the story. I will be wary in getting another Aroma in the future.
I understand the disappointment for this negative single user experience, but it does not seem right now to always judge the support of a company as negative, in this single case Aroma.
If we adopt this way of reasoning, we should avoid buying any product of value from almost any company in the world, not just audio.
Clearly after - sales support is important , and should always be perfect .
But things don't always go as we would like.
However I'm sure that Aroma will ship the perfectly repaired Jewel to the user, and without further costs
 
Apr 4, 2023 at 1:30 AM Post #1,511 of 1,895
However I'm sure that Aroma will ship the perfectly repaired Jewel to the user, and without further costs
Let's hope that's the case.
It would be great to know a company that charges premium also provides premium service to their customers.

I had good exp with both EE (with Odin) and Noble (with Fokus Pro).
 
Apr 4, 2023 at 2:50 AM Post #1,512 of 1,895
I understand the disappointment for this negative single user experience, but it does not seem right now to always judge the support of a company as negative, in this single case Aroma.
If we adopt this way of reasoning, we should avoid buying any product of value from almost any company in the world, not just audio.
Clearly after - sales support is important , and should always be perfect .
But things don't always go as we would like.
However I'm sure that Aroma will ship the perfectly repaired Jewel to the user, and without further costs
Or the companies can create and keep an eye on the head-fi thread for their product and provide extra special support for head-fi enthusiasts as we do typically push products. They can think of it as another form of marketing.
 
Apr 4, 2023 at 4:29 AM Post #1,513 of 1,895
Or the companies can create and keep an eye on the head-fi thread for their product and provide extra special support for head-fi enthusiasts as we do typically push products. They can think of it as another form of marketing.

Manufacturers bigger and more established do not offer re-shell of universal monitors into custom monitors for good reason. Typically different build processes, separate manufacturing lines and a hassle. Or too busy to offer it. Rather than try to 'fix' this re-shell it might end up being a new CIEM build from scratch

There are logic and business reasons most warranties are "limited", usually to mean incorrect use or third party or unlicensed accessories may void a free repair need

A third party thinks the internal components might be mislaid. That does not strictly rule out the end user system, it can still be both things

Taking a step back the the customer service seems mostly on point. Company met in person, accommodated the layover window and tried to replicate the issue multiple times.

Being hit with duties on the test shells is not a fair negative mark on the company, take it to your own government if you think there is another way to fund public services

Yeah the company might need to review the diagnostics process but in the medium to longterm, reshells might no longer be an official offer 🤔☺️✌️
 
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Apr 4, 2023 at 8:01 AM Post #1,514 of 1,895
I'm not trying to actively slander the company, I just want my IEM to work. I don't think you can say it's my chain when it also does not work in NYC or Singapore with the multiple different chains available to test at canjam. The test shell remark was simply to document everything, there was no implication that it was a negative remark on the company, unless you took it that way. I fully understand that there is a good reason why many companies don't offer a reshell service, but if you're going to offer it, then at the very least honour the work quality. Also they met in person at a trade show, I don't really know if you'd consider them going out of their way to accommodate me, more like I went out of my way to fly across the world just to communicate with them.
 
Apr 6, 2023 at 8:13 PM Post #1,515 of 1,895
I also didn't have a great experience with Aroma in terms of their dedication to help you figure out what's wrong with your IEMs. Mine was a new CIEM order through Musicteck. When I got it, I thought there was something wrong with my right ear piece. It sounds off like it's quieter than the left side. When I sent it back, Aroma ran a frequency sweep and told me it was off because ear wax, and after cleaning, both sides are very balanced. I'm an ENT. I know a little wax like < 5% of the nozzle is not going block the nozzle to cause audible stereo imbalance. When I got it back, they still sound "off". I begged Aroma to think of any reason this could so7ndthis way. The president sent back a one liner saying my Jewels are fine, check for dirt. LMAO. So basically I was on my own.

The only other issue I had with the right ear piece was the fit not being perfect causing a little discomfort with extended use. So I had my audiologist polish small sections of the right ear piece. It actually took over 1 month to get the fit right, but what I discovered in the process is that the front part of the nozzle was a little tight causing sound hitting my right ear drum just slight off compared to the left side leading to phase difference. Modding the shell fixed. I was pretty upset because I know they sound really good, but something just isn't right.

BTW, Andrew from Musicteck was very polite and really tried to help me out. It kind of worked out in the end, but I was close to sending it back to Aroma to reshell to Universals so I can sell them.

Long story short, this can happen with reshell or virgin CIEMs. Just you know when you live in a different country, you have to factor in all the potential issues with getting custom versions. If everything goes perfect from the get go, you are set. If you have fit issues, it could be stressful for you. I would say Aroma never refused to help you. They will take it back check everything. Challenge with CIEMs is that everyone's ear canal is different, no one can tell for sure what you are hearing. I do feel Aroma needs to do a better job listening. Not everyone is making a fuzz because buyer's remorse.
 
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