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Nov 13, 2021 at 12:20 AM Post #136 of 587
Part 2: Headphone Impressions from a recent “Audiophile Trip” to India
By Sajid Amit

To continue where we last off in my previous article, posted on this thread, below are impressions of more headphones and gears I tried on my recent “Audiophile Trip” to India.

But before I continue with my micro-reviews, let me just say what fun it was to witness the diversity of tastes, gears, audio businesses, and manufacturers in the small but growing portable audio scene in India.

It is after all a country of 1.38 billion, so manufacturers ought to seriously take notice!

While demand in India for audiophile gears are growing, there remains substantial scope for awareness generation activities online and offline. I was particularly impressed with the work Headphone Zone is doing to generate awareness of the hobby among newcomers, with weekend events dedicated to Western and Eastern artists and sessions on “how to appreciate them” with various gears.

In any case, I digress. Back to good old reviews!

FOCAL Celeste:

The Celeste is a seriously underrated headphone. I was amazed at how much I liked it and had to A/B with the Stellia for a while, in order to convince myself that the improvement is worth the substantial price differential. Yes, the improvement in speed, detail, and dynamics is noticeable, as you switch to the Stellia, but the price difference is higher than the improvement. Diminishing returns are not uncommon in this hobby, but the Celeste is still rather remarkable for its price. It is one of the best tuned Focal headphones I have had the pleasure of listening to. It’s all there: a good tonality, good macro dynamics, great detail for the price, so and forth.

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MEZE Empyrean and MEZE Elite:

I appreciate Meze. They have fantastic customer service. They have the best built headphones in the world. And they have truly inspiration design. However, every time I put the Empyrean on, I cannot get over its pricing relative to its performance. It performs, in my opinion, more like a $2000 headphone even if you factor in the outstanding build, comfort and design. It’s bloated bass, odd treble tuning, and subpar technical performance given the price point, was disappointing once again. I do concede that the tuning works for several people who swear by it, so take this as my subjective opinion.

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Meanwhile, the Meze Elite is an across-the-board improvement over the Empyrean. It is more detailed, less bloated in the bass-to-midrange transition and has better technical performance. It is definitely a good headphone.

It has a safe, inoffensive, and pleasing tonality and the same world class build, comfort and aesthetics as the Empyrean. That said, it’s not a flagship class headphone in the manner a Utopia or LCD4 (and hopefully, my incoming LCD5) is. And it’s certainly less impressive than a Susvara or a Abyss AB-1266 Phi TC. In fact, I would say that the Elite would probably be more competitive at the price point of the Empyrean. At $3000, the Elite would be a superlative buy, and would probably be massively popular.

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SONY IER-Z1R:

This is an impressive IEM but one of the worst in terms of comfort. It is impressive for its technical performance rather than its tonality, as I don’t particularly like the midrange on this IEM. Staging is impressive, as are detail retrieval and macro dynamics.

The Z1R punches hard and I agree with everyone else that it’s a bass head’s dream. However, I think the IE900 has comparable technical performance, faster bass decay, and a more pleasing midrange, and I might pick the IE900 with an upgrade cable to the Z1R. In other words, I see the IE900 seriously challenging the Z1R’s niche in the hobby, in the coming months and years.

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Shure KSE1200

This is a nice-sounding IEM with loads of detail, impressive imaging, layering, but weak dynamics (punch and slam). Its overall tonality is warm and pleasing and I debated for a while, on whether to get the KSE1200 or the Focal Stellia. I ended up picking the Stellia as I preferred the vocals of the Stellia as well as the Stellia’s dynamic impact.

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To round up the headphone / IEM impressions, below are the two most impressive headphones I heard / re-heard on this trip: the Sennheiser HD800S and the almighty Sennheiser Orpheus HE-1.

SENNHEISER Orpheus HE-1

To start with the HE-1, it is a remarkable headphone system as one would expect from its price point. Remember, it’s a headphone system with a DAC and amp. The amplifiers are built into the headphones!

Sonically, the HE-1 has a beautiful midrange that is surprisingly intimate in its presentation. This is both due to the Harman tuning which has forward upper mids and the relatively narrow stage of the HE-1. The intimate staging might come off as a drawback if you expect a bigger and wider soundstage at its stratospheric price level. I know I do.

In terms of its strengths, the headphone is fast, as fast as an SR1a or a SR009S. The treble comes through beautifully and clearly, with the right amount of sparkle. The bass is very lively, present, energetic, and has great control.

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However, as may evident from the comparisons I have already drawn, purely in terms of technical performance, as a system, the HE-1 was no superior to $25,000 or even $18,000 systems I have heard built around an Abyss AB-1266 Phi TC or a Raal SR1a. For $18,000, you can get a Holo May DAC, a high quality amplifier or speaker amplifer, and a Phi TC, and honestly, to me, the TC matched it for detail, surpassed it for slam and stage, and timbre is a toss-up between the industrial timbre of the TC which works with modern genres, and the estat timbre of the HE-1 which works with classical and acoustic music more. This is not to say of course, the HE-1 doesn’t work well with something like hip hop or electronica. It does.

The SR1a is another headphone which can rival or surpass the HE-1, with the right chain. The SR1a I have recently started using with a subwoofer, EQed so that the sub supports the headphone appropriately, and the results can be jaw-dropping. Although the HE-1 can surpass the SR1a in overall tuning, given how popular Harman tunings are, the SR1a is probably slightly more resolving, a hair faster, with deeper and wider stage.

The Susvara and the HE-1 have very similar tonalities, with the Susvara having more sparkle in the air frequencies and the HE-1 with more bass energy. Technically, they are close, but the HE-1 beats it overall for detail retrieval and speed.

Overall, impressive headphone system no doubt, and probably a good choice for those who can afford it and especially those who do not want to tinker with their chain. And, of course, there is the status symbol associated with owning an HE-1.

SENNHEISER HD800S

Last but not the least, my favorite headphone on this trip, surprise, surprise, was the Sennheiser HD800S, which I got to revisit.

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It is funny how our tastes evolve over time. In my case, when I first head the HD800S, it struck me as bright, “overly detailed”, and fatiguing. Those were the days I used to be enamored with the Sennheiser HD650. And then the Susvara happened, which, was a perfect gateway to summit-fi, the world of the TC, SR1a, and Stax headphones, since the Susvara is so polite. Now having increased my tolerance and even love for treble, and appetite for detail, with an appreciation for soundstage width and space between instruments that the Raal provides, the HD800S felt remarkably good for its price.

I drove the HD800S off both my Kann Alpha DAP as well as the Sennheiser HDV 820 amplifier and loved it off both. I just loved the prospect of being able to get summit-fi performance or very close to it, without needing to be chained to large desktop amplifiers. And the comfort is so remarkable on the HD800S. I also think it looks iconic. And oh the stage! Did I mention the stage?

Amps and DACs:

I tried several amps and DACs on this trip, but nothing stood out in comparison to my personal rig of the Accuphase e380 and the Holo Audio May DAC. I use the Accuphase e380 to drive the Susvara, the TC, and occasionally, the SR1a. The Holo May is a well-regarded R2R DAC that also measures well, not that I index for measurements.

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Among the source gears I tried, the Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro was a nice, warm-sounding DAC, with good imaging and staging capabilities, comparable to a Hugo 2 in detail retrieval, but a very different sort of a tonality. It appeared to be more resolving than the much lower-priced Denafrips Aries 2, but I preferred the timbre of the Aries II.

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Meanwhile, I wasn’t overly impressed with the Cayin setup: the IHA-6 and the iDAC-6MK2. The IHA6 is fine for its price, but I didn’t quite enjoy how its treble sounded grainy on some tracks, using headphones that I am familiar with. Although it had more “life” than the widely known Topping A90, I think they are on par with each other overall, performance-wise.

An amplifier that impressed was the Alo Audio Studio Six. The Class-A SET tube amp projects a deeper soundstage with a smidgen of warmth. It is also marvelously built and looks gorgeous.

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Other amps I tried that are worth a mention are the Sennheiser HDV 820, which synergized spectacularly with the HD800S. The HD800S sounds more fluent and organic off this amp. Highly recommended pairing, although for the price of the HDV 820, there are “better” amps one can find, if the goal is to drive non-Sennheiser headphones, i.e., lower impedance varieties such as planar magnetic headphones.

The Violelectric HPA V280 is also impressive. Portable and well-built, the V280 is fairly well-resolving, although I might prefer the Headamp GSX Mini to it, which comes in at a similar price.

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So that’s it for my impressions of audiophile gear from my recent trip to India, across two cities, Delhi and Bombay. I also got to see a lot of cool sights, indulge in different Indian ethnic cuisines, and conduct some business meetings, so overall, a highly rewarding trip. Hope this two-part article series was useful.
 

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Nov 20, 2021 at 3:44 PM Post #137 of 587
Hi Sajid,

If you could only have the 1266 or Susvara which one would you go with? I currently have the Susvara, and I'm wondering what I'm missing with the 1266. I tend to listen to more electronic and pop music, but I also have my fair share of acoustic and vocal focused tracks. Would I miss anything if I traded my Susvara for the 1266?
 
Nov 20, 2021 at 4:36 PM Post #138 of 587
Didnt realize you had your own thread til now. Great list and impressions as usual!
 
Nov 21, 2021 at 1:22 AM Post #140 of 587
Hi Sajid,

If you could only have the 1266 or Susvara which one would you go with? I currently have the Susvara, and I'm wondering what I'm missing with the 1266. I tend to listen to more electronic and pop music, but I also have my fair share of acoustic and vocal focused tracks. Would I miss anything if I traded my Susvara for the 1266?
Tough one. I think they are both excellent headphones with great weaknesses, lol. I thought the Susvara was all I needed till I got the TC. Then I started realizing I was listening to more and more modern genres, until rock and metal became 50% of my playlist.

Now, my perception has changed somewhat. The Susvara is still a ridiculous all-rounder. As is the TC. Just that on the TC, due to the midrange recession, if you are mid-head, midcentric genres and tracks can sound unengaging.

Similarly, with the Susvara, bassy and slammy genres and tracks can sound unengaging.

The LCD5 that I got recently seems to combine good qualities of both, but not the best of both, if you know what I mean.

Long answer to your question, if I had to pick one, I wouldn't be able to I think, lol. I would pick the TC, if pushed, but I am quite certain I would miss the Susvara, if these two were my only headphones.
 
Nov 21, 2021 at 2:39 AM Post #141 of 587
Thank you! How would you compare the Stellia compared to the TC? Does the bass get close to the TC?
 
Nov 21, 2021 at 1:40 PM Post #143 of 587
@thomasu if you want to believe in it, also the right cable elevates the bass‘ performance by quite a margin. Had the Arctic Cable Signum (that isn’t priced astronomically when considering the OCC silver - and also not when compared to other cable manufacturers with similar gauge and materials) once and it really was an audible step up from stock!
 
Nov 22, 2021 at 7:08 AM Post #144 of 587
@thomasu if you want to believe in it, also the right cable elevates the bass‘ performance by quite a margin. Had the Arctic Cable Signum (that isn’t priced astronomically when considering the OCC silver - and also not when compared to other cable manufacturers with similar gauge and materials) once and it really was an audible step up from stock!
When you say “had”, any reason you sold the signum, if that’s what you meant?
 
Nov 23, 2021 at 5:22 PM Post #146 of 587
Part 2: Headphone Impressions from a recent “Audiophile Trip” to India
By Sajid Amit

To continue where we last off in my previous article, posted on this thread, below are impressions of more headphones and gears I tried on my recent “Audiophile Trip” to India.

But before I continue with my micro-reviews, let me just say what fun it was to witness the diversity of tastes, gears, audio businesses, and manufacturers in the small but growing portable audio scene in India.

It is after all a country of 1.38 billion, so manufacturers ought to seriously take notice!

While demand in India for audiophile gears are growing, there remains substantial scope for awareness generation activities online and offline. I was particularly impressed with the work Headphone Zone is doing to generate awareness of the hobby among newcomers, with weekend events dedicated to Western and Eastern artists and sessions on “how to appreciate them” with various gears.

In any case, I digress. Back to good old reviews!

FOCAL Celeste:

The Celeste is a seriously underrated headphone. I was amazed at how much I liked it and had to A/B with the Stellia for a while, in order to convince myself that the improvement is worth the substantial price differential. Yes, the improvement in speed, detail, and dynamics is noticeable, as you switch to the Stellia, but the price difference is higher than the improvement. Diminishing returns are not uncommon in this hobby, but the Celeste is still rather remarkable for its price. It is one of the best tuned Focal headphones I have had the pleasure of listening to. It’s all there: a good tonality, good macro dynamics, great detail for the price, so and forth.

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MEZE Empyrean and MEZE Elite:

I appreciate Meze. They have fantastic customer service. They have the best built headphones in the world. And they have truly inspiration design. However, every time I put the Empyrean on, I cannot get over its pricing relative to its performance. It performs, in my opinion, more like a $2000 headphone even if you factor in the outstanding build, comfort and design. It’s bloated bass, odd treble tuning, and subpar technical performance given the price point, was disappointing once again. I do concede that the tuning works for several people who swear by it, so take this as my subjective opinion.

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Meanwhile, the Meze Elite is an across-the-board improvement over the Empyrean. It is more detailed, less bloated in the bass-to-midrange transition and has better technical performance. It is definitely a good headphone.

It has a safe, inoffensive, and pleasing tonality and the same world class build, comfort and aesthetics as the Empyrean. That said, it’s not a flagship class headphone in the manner a Utopia or LCD4 (and hopefully, my incoming LCD5) is. And it’s certainly less impressive than a Susvara or a Abyss AB-1266 Phi TC. In fact, I would say that the Elite would probably be more competitive at the price point of the Empyrean. At $3000, the Elite would be a superlative buy, and would probably be massively popular.

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SONY IER-Z1R:

This is an impressive IEM but one of the worst in terms of comfort. It is impressive for its technical performance rather than its tonality, as I don’t particularly like the midrange on this IEM. Staging is impressive, as are detail retrieval and macro dynamics.

The Z1R punches hard and I agree with everyone else that it’s a bass head’s dream. However, I think the IE900 has comparable technical performance, faster bass decay, and a more pleasing midrange, and I might pick the IE900 with an upgrade cable to the Z1R. In other words, I see the IE900 seriously challenging the Z1R’s niche in the hobby, in the coming months and years.

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Shure KSE1200

This is a nice-sounding IEM with loads of detail, impressive imaging, layering, but weak dynamics (punch and slam). Its overall tonality is warm and pleasing and I debated for a while, on whether to get the KSE1200 or the Focal Stellia. I ended up picking the Stellia as I preferred the vocals of the Stellia as well as the Stellia’s dynamic impact.

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To round up the headphone / IEM impressions, below are the two most impressive headphones I heard / re-heard on this trip: the Sennheiser HD800S and the almighty Sennheiser Orpheus HE-1.

SENNHEISER Orpheus HE-1

To start with the HE-1, it is a remarkable headphone system as one would expect from its price point. Remember, it’s a headphone system with a DAC and amp. The amplifiers are built into the headphones!

Sonically, the HE-1 has a beautiful midrange that is surprisingly intimate in its presentation. This is both due to the Harman tuning which has forward upper mids and the relatively narrow stage of the HE-1. The intimate staging might come off as a drawback if you expect a bigger and wider soundstage at its stratospheric price level. I know I do.

In terms of its strengths, the headphone is fast, as fast as an SR1a or a SR009S. The treble comes through beautifully and clearly, with the right amount of sparkle. The bass is very lively, present, energetic, and has great control.

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However, as may evident from the comparisons I have already drawn, purely in terms of technical performance, as a system, the HE-1 was no superior to $25,000 or even $18,000 systems I have heard built around an Abyss AB-1266 Phi TC or a Raal SR1a. For $18,000, you can get a Holo May DAC, a high quality amplifier or speaker amplifer, and a Phi TC, and honestly, to me, the TC matched it for detail, surpassed it for slam and stage, and timbre is a toss-up between the industrial timbre of the TC which works with modern genres, and the estat timbre of the HE-1 which works with classical and acoustic music more. This is not to say of course, the HE-1 doesn’t work well with something like hip hop or electronica. It does.

The SR1a is another headphone which can rival or surpass the HE-1, with the right chain. The SR1a I have recently started using with a subwoofer, EQed so that the sub supports the headphone appropriately, and the results can be jaw-dropping. Although the HE-1 can surpass the SR1a in overall tuning, given how popular Harman tunings are, the SR1a is probably slightly more resolving, a hair faster, with deeper and wider stage.

The Susvara and the HE-1 have very similar tonalities, with the Susvara having more sparkle in the air frequencies and the HE-1 with more bass energy. Technically, they are close, but the HE-1 beats it overall for detail retrieval and speed.

Overall, impressive headphone system no doubt, and probably a good choice for those who can afford it and especially those who do not want to tinker with their chain. And, of course, there is the status symbol associated with owning an HE-1.

SENNHEISER HD800S

Last but not the least, my favorite headphone on this trip, surprise, surprise, was the Sennheiser HD800S, which I got to revisit.

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It is funny how our tastes evolve over time. In my case, when I first head the HD800S, it struck me as bright, “overly detailed”, and fatiguing. Those were the days I used to be enamored with the Sennheiser HD650. And then the Susvara happened, which, was a perfect gateway to summit-fi, the world of the TC, SR1a, and Stax headphones, since the Susvara is so polite. Now having increased my tolerance and even love for treble, and appetite for detail, with an appreciation for soundstage width and space between instruments that the Raal provides, the HD800S felt remarkably good for its price.

I drove the HD800S off both my Kann Alpha DAP as well as the Sennheiser HDV 820 amplifier and loved it off both. I just loved the prospect of being able to get summit-fi performance or very close to it, without needing to be chained to large desktop amplifiers. And the comfort is so remarkable on the HD800S. I also think it looks iconic. And oh the stage! Did I mention the stage?

Amps and DACs:

I tried several amps and DACs on this trip, but nothing stood out in comparison to my personal rig of the Accuphase e380 and the Holo Audio May DAC. I use the Accuphase e380 to drive the Susvara, the TC, and occasionally, the SR1a. The Holo May is a well-regarded R2R DAC that also measures well, not that I index for measurements.

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Among the source gears I tried, the Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro was a nice, warm-sounding DAC, with good imaging and staging capabilities, comparable to a Hugo 2 in detail retrieval, but a very different sort of a tonality. It appeared to be more resolving than the much lower-priced Denafrips Aries 2, but I preferred the timbre of the Aries II.

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Meanwhile, I wasn’t overly impressed with the Cayin setup: the IHA-6 and the iDAC-6MK2. The IHA6 is fine for its price, but I didn’t quite enjoy how its treble sounded grainy on some tracks, using headphones that I am familiar with. Although it had more “life” than the widely known Topping A90, I think they are on par with each other overall, performance-wise.

An amplifier that impressed was the Alo Audio Studio Six. The Class-A SET tube amp projects a deeper soundstage with a smidgen of warmth. It is also marvelously built and looks gorgeous.

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Other amps I tried that are worth a mention are the Sennheiser HDV 820, which synergized spectacularly with the HD800S. The HD800S sounds more fluent and organic off this amp. Highly recommended pairing, although for the price of the HDV 820, there are “better” amps one can find, if the goal is to drive non-Sennheiser headphones, i.e., lower impedance varieties such as planar magnetic headphones.

The Violelectric HPA V280 is also impressive. Portable and well-built, the V280 is fairly well-resolving, although I might prefer the Headamp GSX Mini to it, which comes in at a similar price.

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So that’s it for my impressions of audiophile gear from my recent trip to India, across two cities, Delhi and Bombay. I also got to see a lot of cool sights, indulge in different Indian ethnic cuisines, and conduct some business meetings, so overall, a highly rewarding trip. Hope this two-part article series was useful.
Joining this thread now. Great impressions, thx.

What's your view on Celestee vs radiance? I enjoy the latter, been wondering about the former.
 
Nov 23, 2021 at 10:56 PM Post #147 of 587
Joining this thread now. Great impressions, thx.

What's your view on Celestee vs radiance? I enjoy the latter, been wondering about the former.
Welcome, my friend.

The Celeste is more neutral sounding, to me. The Radiance has a lot more midbass and less ear gain than the Celeste.

They both do bass really well though.
 
Nov 24, 2021 at 6:40 AM Post #148 of 587
Got these now old-school dac amp combos in for some demo-ing. It's insane the performance to form-factor ratio of @iFi audio products.

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The Moon 430HAD has a powerful amplifier that drives the Susvara and the TC with aplomb. I still get more holographic stage and perceptibly better treble and midrange detail of my Accuphase e380, but that's that.

In terms of a shoot-out the iFi Pro iDSD is warmer sounding. It's slightly thicker. Bass is more controlled. Overall, the presentation is more on the intimate side of things.

The Moon 430 HAD is a tad brighter leaning. There is also a tad V to the signature especially with crossfeed on. Overall, the presentation is more diffuse, with a more present treble, and a midrange that's just a tad recessed.

I felt my HD800S and Stellia sounded more pleasant on the iFi Pro iDSD.

The Susvara and the LCD5 sounded more enjoyable off the Moon 430 HAD.

Of course, this is comparing amp-dac combos. The iFi DAC is better than the 430 HAD DAC, to my ears. Purely comparing amps, the 430 HAD has the edge, which you would expect given its price.
 
Nov 24, 2021 at 9:20 AM Post #149 of 587
Got these now old-school dac amp combos in for some demo-ing. It's insane the performance to form-factor ratio of @iFi audio products.



The Moon 430HAD has a powerful amplifier that drives the Susvara and the TC with aplomb. I still get more holographic stage and perceptibly better treble and midrange detail of my Accuphase e380, but that's that.

In terms of a shoot-out the iFi Pro iDSD is warmer sounding. It's slightly thicker. Bass is more controlled. Overall, the presentation is more on the intimate side of things.

The Moon 430 HAD is a tad brighter leaning. There is also a tad V to the signature especially with crossfeed on. Overall, the presentation is more diffuse, with a more present treble, and a midrange that's just a tad recessed.

I felt my HD800S and Stellia sounded more pleasant on the iFi Pro iDSD.

The Susvara and the LCD5 sounded more enjoyable off the Moon 430 HAD.

Of course, this is comparing amp-dac combos. The iFi DAC is better than the 430 HAD DAC, to my ears. Purely comparing amps, the 430 HAD has the edge, which you would expect given its price.

Ha, so you did get one for yourself Sajid! Very cool seeing you did that leap, but even more so how much of a performer Pro iDSD is to you, many thanks!

Its sound profile is our house tuning, so beefy, a bit warm and intimate. Here let me encourage you to make some comparisons with DSD upsampling turned on/off. It should make quite the difference if it hasn't already :wink:
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Nov 24, 2021 at 2:39 PM Post #150 of 587
The 430HAD is a very good combo amp at used pricing if you find someone looking to sell quickly.

At retail it doesn't compete very well anymore, as it did in 2015.

Internal DAC isn't great beyond convenience.

IMO the best is trying to pick up a used 430HA without the DAC and pair with favourite DAC. Very good in that scenario if you get the right DAC (pro iDSD is a good option.)
 

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