Aliexpress Cables

[musicinmymind]

Which one did you test from aliexpress compared to which genuine item?

I have some genuine furutech fi-48 and fi-11 connectors and compared them to some of the aliexpress connectors. While the genuine fi48 connectors are absolutely without a doubt better than the knockoff fi-50 connectors on aliexpress. The knockoff fi-50 connectors are way better than the genuine fi-11 connectors.

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Which knockoff do you recommend for UK plugs?

 

[dougms3]

Which knockoff do you recommend for UK plugs?

Not sure about UK plugs. I'd imagine its the same but I'm in the US so I don't know much about the euro plugs.

I tested quite a few of the ac plugs from aliexpress but I can't remember all of them. Some I tested the ataaudio, audiocrast, various knockoff furutechs.

The ataaudio plugs are well shielded, they don't leak EMF, I verified with a NCVD. Most everything else I tested sets it off. Genuine furutech fi48 don't set it off either.

I used the odin knockoff power cable to test them. The connectors on that cable are crap.

 

[cdacosta]

I used the odin knockoff power cable to test them. The connectors on that cable are crap.

lol I agree, the connectors on the Odin clones look good, but are kinda crap. But for me I prefer the knock off or clone FI50 connectors to the originals. I have compared them many times on several different cable designs and builds. The clones to my ears are more open, articulate, offer slightly better dynamics, separation and more tonally balanced vs originals. The originals do have a warmer and lusher mid range. This is my take and opinion. I am sure there are others that will disagree. For value to performance, I have not found a AC connector that I prefer over the clone Furutech FI50.

 

[Boodle]

Which one did you test from aliexpress compared to which genuine item?

I have some genuine furutech fi-48 and fi-11 connectors and compared them to some of the aliexpress connectors. While the genuine fi48 connectors are absolutely without a doubt better than the knockoff fi-50 connectors on aliexpress. The knockoff fi-50 connectors are way better than the genuine fi-11 connectors.

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I compared the Clone Fi 50 ncf on the AE Odin 2 power cable and AE Valhalla power cable to a genuine Furutech Fi 50 ncf , genuine Oyaide C004 and Oyaide AP c004, Genuine Oyaide C046, Furutech Fi 28r. All genuine connectors were way better than the AE connectors. Yes the clones work but are not at the same level as the real ones.. The comparisons were after all cables and connectors were fully burned in at least 600 hours.
I also compared a clone AE Furutech Fi52 ncf to an Audioquest c19 and Furutech unplated copper c19 the genuine Audioquest and Furu were way way better. I have compared a clone Furutech ncf schuko mains plug and clone Oyaide c004 mains plug to a Genuine Furutech Fi11m unplated copper and IEgo gold plated pure copper schuko mains plug and again there was no contest as the real ones were way better. Also compared a Viborg rhodium schuko to the AE schukos and the Viborg was much much better in every way. Viborg rhodium has a long burn in requirement same as the real Furutechs.
Power cables used were the AE Odin, AE Valhalla, genuine Furutech Dps 4.1, Oyaide Black Mamba, Nanotech 309, Black Rhodium Stream, Kimber 8Tc used as a power cable with externally spiraled earth.
in my set up the clones were very bright and fatiguing with reduced mass/body and bass articulation. But as everyone knows what works for me may not work in your set up and vice versa. In my experience with many many cables and connectors, a below par connector will compromise the best cable whilst a good quality connector will at least let a below average cable work at its full potential.

 

[Boodle]

Which knockoff do you recommend for UK plugs?

I would not recommend any AE UK plugs, as I received a clone Furu 1363 and it would not hold the cable or spade lug securely, parts inside were of poor quality and rubbish. A good alternative is an HB Labs UK plug or a Viborg. However the best in my experience is the Furutech 1363 ncf, the Furutech 1363 r followed by MSHD rhodium.

 

[dougms3]

I compared the Clone Fi 50 ncf on the AE Odin 2 power cable and AE Valhalla power cable to a genuine Furutech Fi 50 ncf , genuine Oyaide C004 and Oyaide AP c004, Genuine Oyaide C046, Furutech Fi 28r. All genuine connectors were way better than the AE connectors. Yes the clones work but are not at the same level as the real ones.. The comparisons were after all cables and connectors were fully burned in at least 600 hours.
I also compared a clone AE Furutech Fi52 ncf to an Audioquest c19 and Furutech unplated copper c19 the genuine Audioquest and Furu were way way better. I have compared a clone Furutech ncf schuko mains plug and clone Oyaide c004 mains plug to a Genuine Furutech Fi11m unplated copper and IEgo gold plated pure copper schuko mains plug and again there was no contest as the real ones were way better. Also compared a Viborg rhodium schuko to the AE schukos and the Viborg was much much better in every way. Viborg rhodium has a long burn in requirement same as the real Furutechs.
Power cables used were the AE Odin, AE Valhalla, genuine Furutech Dps 4.1, Oyaide Black Mamba, Nanotech 309, Black Rhodium Stream, Kimber 8Tc used as a power cable with externally spiraled earth.
in my set up the clones were very bright and fatiguing with reduced mass/body and bass articulation. But as everyone knows what works for me may not work in your set up and vice versa. In my experience with many many cables and connectors, a below par connector will compromise the best cable whilst a good quality connector will at least let a below average cable work at its full potential.

Lol come on, you can't compare the knockoff to the same version of the real thing.

Its $20 for the knockoff plugs, you can't expect they're going to come close to the real thing that costs $300+.

I had the genuine Fi-11 connectors and the knockoff fi-50 connectors were better. The geniune fi-11 connector costs $60 and is their entry level offering.

 

[Patswalker]

I'm semi-new to this thread and I need to say I am eternally grateful for all the info you all are sharing. The value I have found thus far is spectacular.

I'm looking for a great high end ali express AC power cable that comes in longer lengths, close to 15'. I have 4 devices of TV/DVD etc equipment in the middle front of the AV room and my audio racks off to the side away from the TV/DVD equipment player. I have an amazing power conditioner being built that will live with the audio racks and a smaller one to be sort of a satellite power conditioner to use for my TV/DVD player. I measured the run between the two to be about 12' so I am adding an extra 3' for flex and to keep it off to the side and clean.

I have been reading a lot on here about great power cables with poor connectors. I'm hoping to get a recommendation from you all about for a very good very well shielded AC power cable that has great connectors that you all would recommend taking up the 15' connecting responsibilities.

 

[Jon L]

I compared the Clone Fi 50 ncf on the AE Odin 2 power cable and AE Valhalla power cable to a genuine Furutech Fi 50 ncf , genuine Oyaide C004 and Oyaide AP c004, Genuine Oyaide C046, Furutech Fi 28r. All genuine connectors were way better than the AE connectors

That's good to know. Of the clone Odin interconnects, speaker cables, and power cables, the only one that I found not to sound good enough to use was the power cables. I may give them another shot with better AC connectors.

 

[BShaw]

I'm semi-new to this thread and I need to say I am eternally grateful for all the info you all are sharing. The value I have found thus far is spectacular.

I'm looking for a great high end ali express AC power cable that comes in longer lengths, close to 15'. I have 4 devices of TV/DVD etc equipment in the middle front of the AV room and my audio racks off to the side away from the TV/DVD equipment player. I have an amazing power conditioner being built that will live with the audio racks and a smaller one to be sort of a satellite power conditioner to use for my TV/DVD player. I measured the run between the two to be about 12' so I am adding an extra 3' for flex and to keep it off to the side and clean.

I have been reading a lot on here about great power cables with poor connectors. I'm hoping to get a recommendation from you all about for a very good very well shielded AC power cable that has great connectors that you all would recommend taking up the 15' connecting responsibilities.

Hey Pat, have you considered buying the cable bulk off the reel and adding connectors? It's very straightforward. From Ali I've got the Grey Knight Energy MKII arriving anytime now, but have only bought Japanese and German cable prior. You could buy Oyaide Tunami, Furutech, or the excellent Yarbo SP-1100 from Ebay or Audiophoinics, and add IeGo, Sonarquest carbon shells, or for less money the Vanguards from Kamaudio or the excellent Viborgs. Of course there are lots of options for both cable and connectors, and I'd be more than happy to walk you through the build or even build it for you gratis.

 

[audionewbie123]

Guys,

Is it possible that all these very high end cable manufactures are sourcing their parts from china and then assembling the parts in their own country and marking up the price by 100 or even 200%?.

possibly thats how china/AE are able to sell knock offs.

The chinese manufacturing has reached a new level now, that its hard to tell a good knock off from the real one, and what is real one btw? since the parts would be sourced from china.

Please share your experiences comparing the knock offs and real thing?

 

[cdacosta]

Guys,

Is it possible that all these very high end cable manufactures are sourcing their parts from china and then assembling the parts in their own country and marking up the price by 100 or even 200%?.

possibly thats how china/AE are able to sell knock offs.

The chinese manufacturing has reached a new level now, that its hard to tell a good knock off from the real one, and what is real one btw? since the parts would be sourced from china.

Please share your experiences comparing the knock offs and real thing?

From my experience, with Furutech and Oyaide, the fit and finish is slightly better than clones. The clones as you mentioned are much better now than years past. Originals have contacts with a finer finish/more polished than the clones. When I use Furutech Nano Liquid, it sonically mitigates the finish difference. The metals are different. The originals "look" to have purer copper and thicker plating. Originals come with non-magnetic hardware like screws. The clones may or may not. I test the screws when I get the clones, and replace magnetic hardware with stainless before use.

I can afford the original product and have many in the system, on hand and in storage. What I am more interested in is what I hear and to an extent value. I stated previously I prefer the clone FI50 AC connector and IEC vs the original. They both sound different. To my ears the originals sound warmer and have a lusher mid range. But in several other sonic areas I prefer the clones. The originals are 12X+ the price of the clones. Original Oyaide are built to a very high standard but sound too colored to me. The exception would be R1 outlet (still having coloration), used strategically.

 

[audionewbie123]

I recently got a furutech ps 980 power cord. obviously a clone for the price i paid. But the cable sounded very good. brought out lot of detail and soundstage.

I was wondering are these chinese clones so good . does one really need to spend a good amount on a power cord from high end cable manufacturers like say wywires/cardas..etc?

What has been your experience guys?

 

[joscho]

I'm looking for RCA phono plugs of better quality where the contacts can be screwed in = without soldering!!

Are there any recommendations?

 

[joscho]

Guys,

Is it possible that all these very high end cable manufactures are sourcing their parts from china and then assembling the parts in their own country and marking up the price by 100 or even 200%?.

possibly thats how china/AE are able to sell knock offs.

The chinese manufacturing has reached a new level now, that its hard to tell a good knock off from the real one, and what is real one btw? since the parts would be sourced from china.

Please share your experiences comparing the knock offs and real thing?

That's exactly what I thought when I first ordered cables from AE 4 years ago that looked like those from Audioquest. Power cable, RCA cable and speaker cable.

My suspicion (!) is that the manufacturer has them produced in CH and the manufacturers offer overproduced goods on AE. Whether they are worse than the 'originals' from AQ, I don't know for sure. In any case, I had bought original speaker cables from AQ, the Rocket 44, for a high price and then compared them with a better 'clone' with a pre-tensioning box - and then replaced them because the AE clone was better."

 

[audionewbie123]

I m currently testing the AE clone furutech ps 980 with a orginal lampizator power cable and i must say the cheap clone furutech is winning by a large mile.

I cannot believe it.

The guy who sold me this cable says his other clients said the same thing when they compared it to original shunyata and oyade cables.

So What is going on in china...