[gregorio]

I hear you grecorio, but I was actually talking about differences in audio in general, not only bits and sample frequencies. These are in no way exact numbers, I tend to think like this:
5 % of differences people experience in audio are real
5 % of differences people experience in audio are real, but emphasized by placebo effect
90 % of differences people experience in audio are pure placebo and disappear in blind tests ...

I personally don't find such a huge generalisation useful, as it's actually misleading in many specific cases. In the case of 16 vs 24bit for example, or even hi-res in general. Where are those 5 or 10%, why have we never encountered them in any of the countless formal DB tests performed over many years? There's no reliable evidence (of which I'm aware) of even a single person being able to tell a difference, let alone 5 or 10%!

G

 

[bigshot]

I tend to think that it's more a matter of thinking process than it is a statistical figure. Everyone who employs logical problem solving techniques get good results. Everyone who doesn't gets randomized results.

 

[71 dB]

I personally don't find such a huge generalisation useful, as it's actually misleading in many specific cases. In the case of 16 vs 24bit for example, or even hi-res in general. Where are those 5 or 10%, why have we never encountered them in any of the countless formal DB tests performed over many years? There's no reliable evidence (of which I'm aware) of even a single person being able to tell a difference, let alone 5 or 10%!

G

Maybe I wasn't clear enough: 16 vs 24bit is pretty much all in the 90 % while differences among loudspeakers "occupy" the 5 %. So, whenever you think you hear difference you should your placebo profile, say 5-5-90 and then think what is you are hearing differences of, is it loudspakers, cables, sample frequences or bit? Then you can go like this: Loudspeakers => yeah, the difference is real. Bits => it's placebo.

 

[pinnahertz]

You kind of answered your own question. People want excitement.



I hear you grecorio, but I was actually talking about differences in audio in general, not only bits and sample frequencies. These are in no way exact numbers, I tend to think like this:

5 % of differences people experience in audio are real
5 % of differences people experience in audio are real, but emphasized by placebo effect
90 % of differences people experience in audio are pure placebo and disappear in blind tests

"HI-RES" audio exploits that 90 % heavily. For golden ears 90 % is maybe "only" 70-80 %

Again, these numbers are not accurate nor do they come from any science studies. I just need "some reasonable" numbers to model the world and other people can use other numbers if they feel like it. Many people deny the existence of placebo effect and their "placebo profile" is 100-0-0 instead of 5-5-90 or 8-12-80. In Star Wars force is always with you. In real life placebo effect is always with us.

Those are very specific number for being "in no way exact", "not accurate nor coming from science studies".

We all have the need for reasonable numbers, but making stuff up doesn't differentiate true science from audiophoolery and marketing hype. That's what those guys do every day.

 

[71 dB]

Those are very specific number for being "in no way exact", "not accurate nor coming from science studies".

We all have the need for reasonable numbers, but making stuff up doesn't differentiate true science from audiophoolery and marketing hype. That's what those guys do every day.

You keep whining no matter what. I made clear these are not specific numbers and still you keep whining! No matter what I say or how I said it you need to whine about it. How about if I say it like this:

Very little of differences people experience in audio are real
Very little of differences people experience in audio are real, but emphasized by placebo effect
Most of differences people experience in audio are pure placebo and disappear in blind tests

What would you whine about that? I am curious...

 

[castleofargh]

97.6% of made up values are BS. ^_^

 

[pinnahertz]

You keep whining no matter what. I made clear these are not specific numbers and still you keep whining! No matter what I say or how I said it you need to whine about it. How about if I say it like this:

Very little of differences people experience in audio are real
Very little of differences people experience in audio are real, but emphasized by placebo effect
Most of differences people experience in audio are pure placebo and disappear in blind tests

What would you whine about that? I am curious...

Making up a list of numbers to suit your own purpose. That's no different from marketing lies. Why bother? We already have plenty of marketing lies to contend with.

 

[csglinux]

97.6% of made up values are BS. ^_^

My wife has some shampoo that makes your hair 27.8% silkier. (It really says that on the bottle.) I've always been impressed that any cosmetics company could measure silkiness so accurately

 

[bigshot]

They did a poll of people asking them if they were going to go to heaven. 80% of people said they were. When they asked those people how many other people were going to go to heaven, they said 20%. Math rarely adds up!

 

[chaos215bar2]

That's not math. That's marketing.

 

[JaeYoon]

Sony's website is a great place to start checking out marketing too

 

[TheSonicTruth]

Sony's website is a great place to start checking out marketing too

The monkey at the mastering DAW will have more of an impact on the final sound than that thing!

 

[bigshot]

What part of my body will I "feel every note" in?

 

[pinnahertz]

What part of my body will I "feel every note" in?

Your auditory nerve for sure, after that it's a question of SPL.

But the real question is: do you want to feel every note? That probably is the way we should listen to Beethoven's 9th...as the creator "heard" it.

 

[bigshot]

Beethoven bit his piano to hear the music, right? Maybe we could come up with an audiophile dental appliance of some sort!