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24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

Discussion in 'Sound Science' started by gregorio, Mar 19, 2009.
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  1. gregorio
    I personally don't find such a huge generalisation useful, as it's actually misleading in many specific cases. In the case of 16 vs 24bit for example, or even hi-res in general. Where are those 5 or 10%, why have we never encountered them in any of the countless formal DB tests performed over many years? There's no reliable evidence (of which I'm aware) of even a single person being able to tell a difference, let alone 5 or 10%!

  2. bigshot
    I tend to think that it's more a matter of thinking process than it is a statistical figure. Everyone who employs logical problem solving techniques get good results. Everyone who doesn't gets randomized results.
  3. 71 dB
    Maybe I wasn't clear enough: 16 vs 24bit is pretty much all in the 90 % while differences among loudspeakers "occupy" the 5 %. So, whenever you think you hear difference you should your placebo profile, say 5-5-90 and then think what is you are hearing differences of, is it loudspakers, cables, sample frequences or bit? Then you can go like this: Loudspeakers => yeah, the difference is real. Bits => it's placebo.
  4. pinnahertz
    Those are very specific number for being "in no way exact", "not accurate nor coming from science studies".

    We all have the need for reasonable numbers, but making stuff up doesn't differentiate true science from audiophoolery and marketing hype. That's what those guys do every day.
  5. 71 dB
    You keep whining no matter what. I made clear these are not specific numbers and still you keep whining! No matter what I say or how I said it you need to whine about it. How about if I say it like this:

    Very little of differences people experience in audio are real
    Very little of differences people experience in audio are real, but emphasized by placebo effect
    Most of differences people experience in audio are pure placebo and disappear in blind tests

    What would you whine about that? I am curious...
  6. castleofargh Contributor
    97.6% of made up values are BS. ^_^
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  7. pinnahertz
    Making up a list of numbers to suit your own purpose. That's no different from marketing lies. Why bother? We already have plenty of marketing lies to contend with.
  8. csglinux
    My wife has some shampoo that makes your hair 27.8% silkier. (It really says that on the bottle.) I've always been impressed that any cosmetics company could measure silkiness so accurately :)
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  9. bigshot
    They did a poll of people asking them if they were going to go to heaven. 80% of people said they were. When they asked those people how many other people were going to go to heaven, they said 20%. Math rarely adds up!
  10. chaos215bar2
    That's not math. That's marketing.
  11. JaeYoon
    Screenshot_2017-10-17-12-56-13.png Sony's website is a great place to start checking out marketing too
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2017
  12. TheSonicTruth
    The monkey at the mastering DAW will have more of an impact on the final sound than that thing!
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  13. bigshot
    What part of my body will I "feel every note" in?
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  14. pinnahertz
    Your auditory nerve for sure, after that it's a question of SPL.

    But the real question is: do you want to feel every note? That probably is the way we should listen to Beethoven's 9th...as the creator "heard" it.
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  15. bigshot
    Beethoven bit his piano to hear the music, right? Maybe we could come up with an audiophile dental appliance of some sort!
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