Riboge
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Once again you have a point but miss the point. Hearing especially hearing of complex structured sounds like music is not just a matter of the most basic parameters that are measured in a hearing test. There are many levels of processing involved even within the dedicated auditory parts of the brain culminating in the auditory cortex. Then there are the interactions of these at each level with other brain function centers and the rest of the cortical functions. There is a great deal of effect of learning and training above and beyond raw inner ear capability. You can hear a lot of things you formerly couldn't with the right instruction and practice.
This goes on regularly and intentionally when med students work to be able to hear faint heart murmurs and distinguish among them, etc. And as to super capable people, how about one of my professors at med school who was nearly deaf but could usually match what we heard with a stethoscope by looking at the patient's chest from across the room. If he laid his hand on the patient's chest he could outdo us by a great deal and keep up with EKGs pretty well in making diagnoses this way. There's just a lot more to hearing than the basic elements you want to confine your and our consideration to.
There are still many things about what people can do that science has not been able to explain satisfactorily even though it of course should be able to and may eventually. The better and more intelligent the scientist is the more likely he or she is to have no problem acknowledging this without feeling it threatens the scientific endeavor--or means necessarily that those who report them are magical thinkers.
Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif There are variations between what people *can't* hear. Some people have hearing loss. But there isn't a super race of humans with ability to hear things that only bats can hear. When someone says, "No one has golden ears." They're referring to people with no hearing loss, and their point is that no one can hear the unhearable. See ya Steve |
Once again you have a point but miss the point. Hearing especially hearing of complex structured sounds like music is not just a matter of the most basic parameters that are measured in a hearing test. There are many levels of processing involved even within the dedicated auditory parts of the brain culminating in the auditory cortex. Then there are the interactions of these at each level with other brain function centers and the rest of the cortical functions. There is a great deal of effect of learning and training above and beyond raw inner ear capability. You can hear a lot of things you formerly couldn't with the right instruction and practice.
This goes on regularly and intentionally when med students work to be able to hear faint heart murmurs and distinguish among them, etc. And as to super capable people, how about one of my professors at med school who was nearly deaf but could usually match what we heard with a stethoscope by looking at the patient's chest from across the room. If he laid his hand on the patient's chest he could outdo us by a great deal and keep up with EKGs pretty well in making diagnoses this way. There's just a lot more to hearing than the basic elements you want to confine your and our consideration to.
There are still many things about what people can do that science has not been able to explain satisfactorily even though it of course should be able to and may eventually. The better and more intelligent the scientist is the more likely he or she is to have no problem acknowledging this without feeling it threatens the scientific endeavor--or means necessarily that those who report them are magical thinkers.