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  1. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I suggest you trying reading the document yourself http://images.apple.com/euro/itunes/mastered-for-itunes/docs/mastered_for_itunes.pdf It's not my fault you don't like Apple's Mastered For iTunes initiative - I guess it bypasses your creative mangling - again, nothing to do with me. I...
  2. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    The issue with clipping the medium (rather than clipped content like fuzz boxes) is twofold: 1. Each DAC's overload character will be different, some get very upset with audible clicks while others hide them better. I.e. the result is now out of your control. 2. Each flat top tends to add...
  3. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Your continued ranting about a subject of which you are clearly ignorant is puzzling. Other people will research it, read the forums and reviews and decide for themselves. My message for audiophiles is simply this: don't listen to the disinformation and FUD, read and speak to people who have...
  4. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Actually we can compare what we like, over-compression and clipping is more related to the year rather than style. The lie of 'it's a different era' is undone by looking at remasters, even Floyd's Final Cut and ABBA have been mangled in all the re-issues. That's the very SAME recording, the...
  5. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    There is a chicken and egg situation here that you do not account for: For instance if the average man on the street wants a genuine 96/24khz - or even an unclipped 44.1/16 copy of Sarah McLachlan's 'Solace' CD because they wanted to hear a version without 200 sample long clips in it, what does...
  6. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    An interesting view, but I rather think he's simply meeting 'consumer resistance' to his continued assertions that we are an ignorant minority not worth listening to and should be grateful that we pay for over-compressed and clipped music because it's stylistic/artistic, creative and compression...
  7. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I'm not following why the need for a compressor in the car stereo translates to the need to bake it into the source material. Why ruin it for everyone when not ruining it is easier? Pioneer etc. could just do it in the stereo for the car. In fact the last cheap Pioneer car radio I bought had a...
  8. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Can you point to the research that indicates only a tiny minority care about the sound quality? Additionally can you qualify that research with the method of asking, because when I play a well mastered track to anyone young they suddenly realise what they were missing and become interested in...
  9. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    You and Greg are the ones who are deliberately confusing studio compression with over-compression and clipping used to ruin masters for todays Loudness War. Only you two. Everyone else here know perfectly well what we are discussing. Your defence of the loudness war and 16 bit is contradicted...
  10. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    You are free of course to redefine any word the way you like, we don't need many decimal places to detect the mastering carnage and mangled remasters. Peak/RMS expressed as dB doesn't have any mystical sense for you to fathom, it does however show the amount of damage between original tracks and...
  11. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Impossible? In reality it's one of the most trivial things to quantify. A simple histogram shows the distributions and reliably picks out the over compressed/clipped tracks, additionally an entire track with the same consistent level peaks regardless of RMS level or frequency (the classic...
  12. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I think you're confused. Since I discovered that CDs and digital downloads/streaming (the media is irrelevant) were engineered with horrific distortion built in I stopped about 95% of my new purchases and started instead scouring the second hand and foreign markets for less mangled product...
  13. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    If that was true then the remasters would not lose 6dB of dynamic range over the originals. But they do. So your statement has no bearing. You appear to be blissfully unaware of what the Loudness War actually is in practical terms on a digital waveform level. That's fine, not many people are...
  14. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Amazing. I have no words. Is this really a HiFi forum? No we don't, some of us are acutely aware of its limitations. Additionally the defence of 16bit is irrational and has no purpose. Digital has moved on. Welcome to 2017.
  15. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Your literal interpretation of 6dB is rather sad as you have entirely missed the point being made by a person who looks at them almost daily. Well recorded pop music tends to have a dynamic range of around 16dB and no clipping and no visible (rough) flat tops, poorly mastered and remastered pop...
  16. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Good to read at least one other person in this thread has spotted the elephant. At last. The clipping and compression reduce the peaks by around 6dB, which can be seen with a small amount of research easily enough. Madonna's original 'True Blue' vs the remashed 'True Blue' is a case in point...
  17. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    The issues with arguing that all noise is the same and that statistical methods can make 16bit audio as accurate as 24bit remain as spurious as ever. This 16vs24 bit subject however is a discussion in theory only as in the real world we have a very limited choice of most music, generally between...
  18. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    The original article is faulty in it's primary premise, something I have pointed out before to the blind. Dither is a statistical method and while your statement is superficially correct there is an important caveat: We are still representing the data in 16bit digital so the quantisation errors...
  19. Cutestudio

    Creating examples of "Loudness Wars" effect

    Yes I know, why are you saying this? My statement was "the mastering engineer is simultaneously mastering for ...", the words "Loudness War processing" come from you, not me! BTW Your love of 16bit was noted in other threads, you do not have to attack 24bit here as well, we will continue to...
  20. Cutestudio

    Creating examples of "Loudness Wars" effect

    In general compression is applied at entirely the wrong end of the recording process, the mastering engineer is simultaneously mastering for the car, table top radio and HiFi and various other delivery systems, all of which have different requirements, so by definition it will often be wrong for...
  21. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Now now, that was an example of music that responds well to dither, did you actually read my reply? I'm sensing you're all riled up about this for some reason and didn't actually read my post properly. Perhaps you should have a think about the mechanism, dither can only span those quantisation...
  22. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Oh dear, you really missed the point there, again. You merely highlighted what dither does for long and periodic signals, which we all know already. Duh. What you keep failing to acknowledge, either deliberately or via some form of denial or mental block is that dither doesn't fix short...
  23. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    You're not telling me anything new here, I'm a bit puzzled at the point you are trying to make. All you are saying is digital is digital and analog is analog, didn't we realise that 30 years ago? Welcome to 2017 BTW. It must be a PWM noise because the points between don't exist, whereas they do...
  24. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    Lots of places, even movie sound tracks have better formats now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video Yes. 30 years out of date. Sad isn't it. No, not nonsense or being ridiculous, my opinions and view are mine and you are free to disagree, but please don't belittle people you disagree...
  25. Cutestudio

    24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!

    I'm not sure why you are saying I'm not looking at the waveform, do you suggest I get inside the wires and watch the electrons drifting back and forth? I don't think you realise what dither actually is, it's just noise added before quantisation to even out the quantisation errors, it doesn't...
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