Hmm... I thought this one is directly related to hearing. No? Does auditory sensation mean hearing? Do we see the same paragraph as below? Did I miss something again? Or did I mis-interpret or mis-represent anything here? ================= Ah one more thing, if you don't mind, could you...

Ah... no wonder HQPlayer is so good in DSD upsampling as I heard that HQPlayer uses multi-level SDM (I need to confirm later about it). ======= By the way, what is your view about this interesting fact: It is from the paper you mentioned in an early reply below

...Ultrasonic vibrations of 100 kHz or over applied directly to the skull (i.e. mastoid) are known to produce auditory sensation through bone conduction and resonance12. They are not felt as vibratory or thermal sensations, but rather as normal tones with a lower frequency. Similar to auditory...

...the transition from speakers to IEMs. The difference is tangible even in HPs to IEMs, and given the BC examples I tried, I think the bone conduction effect has some merit. The main reason it's not hitting that well is comfort and cost IMO. Aftershokz are the BC headset I tried, and they get...

...perceived vibration even at a different frequency and on the hand or wherever, could help feel like the bass was better/louder. On the other hand, bone conduction is not new and while hyped several times, it has, so far, failed to convince the general user. I'm guessing there is a reason for...

...much IEMs vibrate when playing a signal to see if what he felt could be quantified, and apparently it can. I would expect IEMs with bone conduction drivers to do this of course (he measured the Canpur 622B as vibrating the most), but he also noted some non BC IEMs still vibrate measurably on...

...as opposed to absorbing it, kind of like how hardwood floors reflect noise vs acoustic foam or carpet. That sounds like the goal of bone conduction drivers, which I am evaluating at the moment. I think there is something to that, bass rumbles the whole body in a normal state, so BC drivers...

...it gets to uneasy feeling in the lift...that's a classic example of how it's not just about your hearing. Our inner ear is also an important component of our vestibular system. If you're sick, your vestibular system can be more sensitive. We also know we feel sub-bass through bone conduction.

I did hold you to high standards because you looked like you could do it (although, you're much, much better at critical thinking when data goes against what you want it to be. But hey, I'm like that too). I insist on the paper about phase having no place here. I didn't develop because I...

...scent and taste LMAO. The whole conversation strikes me as eerily similar to reading old print arguments about sub bass. Certainly bone conduction kicks in somewhere below 50Hz and we don’t truly ‘hear’ much down there in the same sense I think you are claiming for ultrasonics. Yet the...

There's actually now bone conducting headphones as well. They've entered the market for people wanting to listen to music while working out (and don't have to worry about shorting out the driver ).

Actually there’s been quite a lot of research into bone-conduction audibility because there are quite a few potential applications, hearing-aids being just one. Testing of bone-conduction is less potentially damaging because you can just mechanically create the vibrations coupled to the skull...

im not talking about "hearing" the ultrasonics itself well im not sure how they tested but if not playing music at the same time the result could vary a lot i guess well this doesnt surprise me at all if it was tested with 120db lol i also think in general pure sinewaves above 12khz have...

...the difference between a sine wave and a square wave at say 12kHz. We can in fact sense ultrasound up to about 100kHz but through bone conduction and again, very high SPLs. So again, not applicable to listening to music on your hi-fi, unless you bolt your super-tweeter to your skull and max...

...over stereo as stereo was over mono. The ability to create coherent sound fields, complete with kinesthetic effects, makes multichannel speaker systems the ultimate in sound that goes beyond just what we hear into what we feel around us. That's what is really cutting edge... not bone conduction.

These are unfortunate opinions, because this opinion is outdated and not cutting edge. We have many of the top IEMs today, and many new ones implementing bone conduction. We need to adapt to accept new technologies.

Super audible frequencies can certainly be perceived. Brainwaves can detect the effect of them. They are also used at loud volumes as a sonic weapon. They can cause headaches, and the Cuban attacks against American diplomats were suspected of being a sonic weapon. But none of that would make...

No, because we don’t bolt tweeters to our skulls or otherwise bypass the eardrum mechanism. Additionally, there simply isn’t much ultrasonic content in music to start with, for example only about 4% of the energy produced by a violin is above 20kHz and that’s only if you are 1m away from the...

Hello, has anyone mentioned the other aspects of the ear which go beyond normal hearing range, such as bone conduction (bypassing eardrum mechanism) and also the right/left ear phase difference (localization +)..?? Wouldn't they be affected by the difference in recorded methods mentioned here?

As it so happens I was given a pair of shokz openrun pro headphones for Christmas, for kind of the opposite of noise reduction headphones reasons—you still hear stuff around you if you are working out or something. I was and am extremely surprised how much I enjoy them. They are definitely the...

I saw some on ebay and was going to ask if anyone used or had tried Bone Conduction Headphones but thought the sound quality must e sub-par. And rather than arouse the auditory anger of annoyed Audiophiles Googled it myself to save my asking. However, turns out the properties of the noise...

...sound better, it would sound worse. I think you (or whoever you got this from) are interpreting these measurements incorrectly. 20-20 clean and flat is audibly transparent by definition. (Not counting bizarre things like bone conduction or ultra high frequencies at high volumes creating nausea.)

I see what you mean but I'm not necessarily shooting for perfection, though of course that'd be great. I'd like perfect but I'm also happy with "good enough". I'm more concerned with a few treble problem spots than I am with anything in the low end with these latest BRIRs. This last one I've...

...speaker-left/right ear) and this could only be done with a perfect seal of one ear. Sadly, such a seal doesn't exist and even if, bone conduction comes more to effect at lower frequencies than many think. Therefore audiologists work with "masking signals", but that's a whole new story. So I...

...14HZ. 20HZ is the conventional standard for human hearing....but there are studies going below that (probably special conditions and bone conduction). For movie watching, I do like the subwoofer being around that I can feel the effects. But it can also extend into music. Not just new...