[rauer]

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Originally Posted by rsaavedra Graduate: Tulane University, New Orleans, MS in Computer Science (1999). Undergrad: Licentiate in Computer Science, at the Universidad central de Venezuela (UCV), Caracas (1995)

The degree names seem to differ quite a lot in different countries. You had an undergrad degree called licentiate? In northern Europe (atleast in Finland), licentiate is a degree that's "between" a master and a doctoral degree.

 

[toor]

Another Current Berkeley Student.

BTW IF anyone has good advice on math/econ profs for upper division courses PM me plz.

 

[YamiTenshi]

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Originally Posted by thrice They say your student loans are forgiven if you die....I'm in it for the long haul.

Sadly enough that looks like a pausible option for me...

 

[immtbiker]

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Originally Posted by stevesurf Go New York! Bachelor of Engineering: The Cooper Union

I repaired all of the Xerox machines and computer network at Cooper Union in the mid 90's. There are now 2 different Starbucks within one block of Astor Place. Believe it or not, they are both busy until 1 a.m.

 

[Mikey01]

I coulden't afford college. I had to stay home and drink. I just coulden't handle the $20,000 cover charge.

............U.C. Bearcat

 

[stevesurf]

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Originally Posted by immtbiker I repaired all of the Xerox machines and computer network at Cooper Union in the mid 90's. There are now 2 different Starbucks within one block of Astor Place. Believe it or not, they are both busy until 1 a.m.

Small world! I still frequent those Starbucks near Astor...as well as McSorleys

 

[rsaavedra]

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Originally Posted by rauer The degree names seem to differ quite a lot in different countries. You had an undergrad degree called licentiate? In northern Europe (atleast in Finland), licentiate is a degree that's "between" a master and a doctoral degree.

Yes they certainly do. Licentiate in Venezuela is a 5 year undergraduate academic program. It is considered a little more than the typical Bachelor's degree in the US, but less than a Masters degree.

 

[JiiEf]

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Originally Posted by rauer The degree names seem to differ quite a lot in different countries. You had an undergrad degree called licentiate? In northern Europe (atleast in Finland), licentiate is a degree that's "between" a master and a doctoral degree.

The French used to have "Licence" as an undergrad degree as well, but I think they did away with it when moving over to the Bologna system. Generally, licentiate would be a post-graduate degree, based on the idea that it's the license to teach at the university.

Then again, the American J.D. is not exactly a doctorate either, now is it?

/JF

 

[Glod]

There is a lot of confusion in Europe about academic degrees right now. The European Union has decided to stream line higher education during a 10 year period, as to titles and level of knowledge expected of the students. The Anglo-Saxon system of Bachelor and Master titles will or has been implemented.

Here in the Netherlands there are two different Bachelor and Master degrees

: BA, B.Sc, MA, M.Sc et cetera at the universities and simply "B" and "M" at the colleges. The college Bachelor has a wide or a deep focus. Usually it is a wide (more subjects and less depth). Just having a Master degree in your Curriculum Vitae does not say much about the individual’s academic merits here.

EDIT: JiiEF used the right term: The Bologna system, for the EU higher educational project.

 

[immtbiker]

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Originally Posted by stevesurf Small world! I still frequent those Starbucks near Astor...as well as McSorleys

In my younger days...I threw up many times, outside of McSorley's

 

[john_jcb]

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Originally Posted by JiiEf The French used to have "Licence" as an undergrad degree as well, but I think they did away with it when moving over to the Bologna system. Generally, licentiate would be a post-graduate degree, based on the idea that it's the license to teach at the university. Then again, the American J.D. is not exactly a doctorate either, now is it? /JF

I think the JD here is actually somewhat equivalent to obtaining a non medical doctorate degree. 3 years of intense study after obtaining a bachelors degree.

 

[daycart1]

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Originally Posted by john_jcb I think the JD here is actually somewhat equivalent to obtaining a non medical doctorate degree. 3 years of intense study after obtaining a bachelors degree.

LOL, most high qualitity PhD degrees take six years of study. Four years is an absolute minimum.

 

[JiiEf]

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Originally Posted by daycart1 LOL, most high qualitity PhD degrees take six years of study. Four years is an absolute minimum.

Yep. Should have stuck with LL.B., IMHO. Have a hard time selling that "it's almost as good as a real doctorate" to me as long as there's the LL.M. and the possibility of the said REAL doctorate.

/JF

 

[Glod]

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Originally Posted by daycart1 LOL, most high qualitity PhD degrees take six years of study. Four years is an absolute minimum.

Usually, you need to have a Master’s degree to qualify for a doctor’s programme. Sometimes the Master courses are included in the doctor’s programme.

I know in Germany a doctor’s programme, after the Master degree, is at least 3 years, in Sweden and the Netherlands it is about 3-5 years (compulsory courses and lecturing included). The exact duration can vary due to the discipline and scope of the research. Every student will usually have to get several papers published in well known international scientific publications in the field, and eventually produce a Doctor’s thesis. Traditionally, it will have to be publicly defended.

Are there no European and American Ph.D´s around here? Enlighten us please.

EDIT: Spelling...

 

[ls20]

not a PhD but have a few friends who are... at our school one can apply directly to a PhD program after completing undergraduate (bs/ba) study